Do Some Good Today

[night faerie]

Click on these links once a day and put something good out into the world. Please feel free anyone to add your own links or maybe just make suggestions on some easy things we (lazy internet addicts) can do to make the world a better place.

The Animal Rescue Site. Click link at the link below to help feed them.
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites.woa/482/wa/gotoSite?destSite=AnimalRescueSite&origin=bcsTY&wosid=xg5000HX600UW000M&revisionCode=BCSthankyoupg_ARSlogo

Click link at the link below to help save earth’s rainforests.
http://www.therainforestsite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites.woa/482/wa/gotoSite?destSite=RainforestSite&origin=bcsTY&wosid=xg5000HX600UW000M&revisionCode=BCSthankyoupg_TRSlogo

Click link at the link below to help save young lives.
http://www.thechildhealthsite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites.woa/482/wa/gotoSite?destSite=ChildHealthSite&origin=bcsTY&wosid=xg5000HX600UW000M&revisionCode=BCSthankyoupg_CHSlogo

Click link at the link below to help fund free mammograms.
http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites.woa/482/wa/gotoSite?destSite=BreastCancerSite&origin=arsTY&wosid=xg5000HX600UW000M&revisionCode=ARSthankyoupg_BCSlogo

Click link at the link below to help feed hungry people.
http://www.thehungersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites.woa/482/wa/gotoSite?destSite=HungerSite&origin=bcsTY&wosid=xg5000HX600UW000M&revisionCode=BCSthankyoupg_THSlogo

[Mike]

Well, I've adopted a seal :)

[lianedefeyer]

I remember , you told me bout

wich remind me a story :
:)
A guy at job some monthes ago tried to entice me, and was always speaking about inintersting matters ( poor chap) and most of the time about ....... a dragon he had adopted on the web.. and he wanted me to do as well... well no matter with that , but he became quite boring always asking news from my dragon and always speaking me about his own... from morning till I left job... mm I guess he understood I was politely bored with ugly dragons ( believe me they were ugly) for he moved on the lower floor and kept sending me pop-ups on our intranet..; and progressively stopped cause he finally get that I might have some others subject of conversation that green dragon with red wings and tail.

he was quite sympathetic by the way but...; very very very annoying and boring , nice , but boring *sigh*
I don't sound charitable , do I?
:umm:
well it was alil story about job :rolleyes:

[sir archely]

wow! what a great thread!

I really like it, but i must say my internet skeptic voice kicked in a little bit, to wonder if this is actually true...(you know that little voice that usually sounds like a parent who says "hey, this is the internet, if it sounds like it's too good to be true, it probably is.") So i'm wondering...but, it doesn't hurt to just click, right?

I'd like to look further, i'll do that at some point, just not now.

[Corvus Corax]

is that in Pieterburen Mike?

*sighs*
I "rescued" two birds and tried to keep them alive. This was on two seperate occasions. The first was attacked by crows and mac pies and had a big wound. But since I was too young, I chased them away and took care of the bird. I only prolonged its suffering I'm afraid :( . The second was a young macpie, but he was too sick to help. That was more a case of paliative care.

I'm not much of a caretaker, or so it seems :(.

[lianedefeyer]

well Corvus , you did your best it occured me trying to heal lil birds.. and lead tgem to death because they were weak and badly woundeh
:( I may apologize for having told not ery funny stuff on my first post here on this thread , I donno why I started talking about this foollish story in a thread dedicated to make the world better

this had nothing to do in , I apologize :(

[Mike]

Not Pieterburen, the "neighbour" Ecomare.

Silly Liane. Your lil stories are always welcome :)

[Corvus Corax]

Of course, your stories are more than welcome :) .

I'm sorry, but I must say I've never heard of ecomare. I learnt something new today then :) .

btw: not all my saving efforts were in vain. There have been about five dogs that stranded around our house which we retreived to their owners, most of the time. And I feed the birds in winter :D . And the deer as well, it's not like this is a huge national park where there is food in abundance. They get hit by cars frequently, well, one time per individual deer.

I just remember failiure better, I suppose.

[night faerie]

yeah, Lia, good and fun stories like yours are welcome wherever & whenever they come up. It's all good, this wasnt meant to be a serious-only thread. ;)

but I did learn something interesting today. I learned that most large fast food chains, Burger King & McDonalds, for example, clear rainforest land in order to graze the cattle they slaughter to make beef, cause it's so much cheaper to get land there. This I knew, but what I DIDNT know is that there is a loophole that lets them claim they only use US meat. Burger King, for example, has been claiming all it's beef is domestic beef. When the meat arrives in the US it is then considered "domestic" cause it's now "US beef". So BK gets away with saying that. They estimate that for every hamburger consumed, approximately 55 square feet of rainforest has been cleared.

Also, both of these companies also grind up the meat/brains/etc of other cattle that have died of sickness or old age & feed them to the rest of the herd. Problems develope (because cows are herbivores for a reason :rolleyes: ) and because the incubation period for some diseases takes so long for symptoms to appear, they are often passed on to humans unwittingly. :(

I dunno if there's anything to be done about this, but I dunno. just passing on the knowlege, maybe someone else will have an idea.

[dark fuschia]

I heard KFC gives a margin of its profits to the Ku Klux Klan

I also heard the Ku Klux Klan is affiliated with the NRA.

Anyway I don't liek KFC nayway so it's not hard to avoid it.

But I love Mc Donalds... why oh why did they have to be a cartel of badness? *is resigned to her love affair with cheeseburgers*

[night faerie]

ooh! Hey guys I've been enlightened with some wonderful news. At least assuming it's true, it's wonderful.

Some people at work were telling me that kosher meat is not only prepared more carefully than "regular" meat, but the cattle & fowl itself is fed more carefully.

Apparently, it goes along with the whole jewish food beliefs, which, I am learning, is rather complicated. But anyway, I am told that all cattle & fowl are fed grains & veggies only, never any meat-products. Not only is this much more humane for the animals, but it means when they become meat themselves, they have a much lower fat content. AND just to cap it off, they are killed much more humanely, again, for religious purposes.

So, I for one am off to find myself a nice kosher deli to buy all my meat products from now on :D

[Anita Blake]

oooh, sounds good! i will also have to seek out kosher meat.

what you must also get, NF (and everybody) is kosher salt. Those crazy jews are onto something! ;) kosher salt is flakier than normal table salt, and thusly it dissloves faster and more efficiently, so, when put on meat, what happens is the salt traps all the water in the meat, and then when you cook the meat, you get sweet, delicious, tender juicy meat that tastes perfect, and not too salty (even if you put about a teaspoon of kosher salt on each side... honest, it doesn't make it taste really salty, it just makes it taste downright good).

i do't know if the salt is treated more ethically or given better food ;) but i do know that for meat, nothing is better. NOTHING. seriously, throw away all that crap barbeque sauce, and kosher your meat. it makes steak (and chicken, and pretty much all meat) taste delicious without barbeque sauce or steak sauce... those are just going to moisten your overcooked meat, really, and cover up the taste of the meat.

*looks up*

oh sorry... got kosher-salt ranty... i do that sometimes :blush:

[night faerie]

>bump<
;)

[night faerie]

~flexes admin powers~ aHA!!!
ok hope noone minds me making this sticky but sometimes I forget about it and I do try to click the links as often as possible. :)

anyway, I had a thought today. Sometimes people call your house and want you to take a survey. I think these surveys are terribly important. It is my opinion that people are so influenced by what other people think, these surveys are much more important than we give them credit for. Perhaps not really well-read or informed people are suseptible, such as many of the people who frequent this site, (not flattery, I just know that a lot of you people are really up on politics & stuff), but your run of the mill average-joe.

For example, the upcoming election has the media in a frenzy, and they're posting all these polls explaining Candidate A pulling in 53% of the prospective votes, while opposing Candidates B, C & D are pulling in 21%, 12%, and 11%. Average Joe favors candidate B, but succumbs to the running assumption that his vote will be wasted because Candidate A is so far ahead, plus, he is working late and really wants to meet his friends after work and would be running REALLY late if he stopped to vote.

OR maybe your opinion in the TV survey will help determine whether to keep Alias or Angel or My So-Called Life ~gets teary~ or Freaks & Geeks ~weeps openly~ is to be cancelled next season. If you dont take the time to answer these surveys honestly, WHO WILL???

Please participate in your neighborhood surveys, dont blow them off. It is an important contribution. :)

[Amos]

no way. the better they know us, the better they can control us. all the bigger to eat you with my dear *twitches*

:umm:

seriously. i do not like polls. it's not the time factor it's the intrusive nature of them. if i want people to know about me i'll become friends with them or walk around with a megaphone announcing my views to the world (not much different from starting a band. hehe)

[night faerie]

LOL! :-p Have to be controvertial, dontcha?

Well actually I think most people feel this way, which was why I thought to mention it. I think sometimes we have more influence than we know. If people (and I know MANY do) refrain from voting because of grossly inaccurate polls, dont you think thats so wrong? I know, its easy to say well go vote then, but I'm saying let your voice be heard even BEFORE the votes are cast ;) Have an influence on which votes are cast. I dunno, just a thought, from someone who occasionally thinks too much. ~shrugs~

[Amos]

it's true that they do influence, but if we didn't have polls in the first place then people would be more likely, to use your example of voting, to vote for whom they choose without being swayed by popular opinion, no? though their mothers could still tell them what to do :D

as for tv, i feel the best tv doesn't cater, it is expressant and intelligent, just as the best film is. it will be poular regardless because we relate to it and understand it on so many levels :)

[night faerie]

it's true that they do influence, but if we didn't have polls in the first place then people would be more likely, to use your example of voting, to vote for whom they choose without being swayed by popular opinion, no? though their mothers could still tell them what to do :D
Agreed, but without the ability to eradicate the system, is it not best to make the system work for you?



as for tv, i feel the best tv doesn't cater, it is expressant and intelligent, just as the best film is. it will be poular regardless because we relate to it and understand it on so many levels :)
Theoretically, yes. Maybe it is in Oz, I wouldnt know, but out here, the shows with the best marketing often do best. Its ridiculously apparent that the media & advertising execs actually tell us what will be popular even before we've seen it. Sad but true.
Again, without the power to get rid of the system, I still prefer to use it to my advantage if possible. Even if it didnt save My So-Called Life and Freaks & Geeks ~sigh~ I still have them on tape.... ~sniff~...

[Amos]

..i'm still a little conflicted within on the system to be honest. i don't know whether to work with it, which would be the wiser thing to do, or to fight it utterly, which i think would be the stronger thing to do..

and no, it's not like that in oz at all, sadly. advertising and media reign supreme.

you're right on many levels, but i still refuse to do surveys. they're just not my thing :)

[Alexia]

Bloody brilliant thread. *flowers4nf* :)

[Jennifer]

I found this in a magazine at work today. Made me so mad to read it.



Alaskan wolves will soon be in the crosshairs of aerial gunners under a bill signed by Governor Frank Murkowski. Bowing to the commercial hunting lobby and ignoring both public sentiment and scientific facts, Murkowski in June approved legislation that allows wolves to be killed under the guise of "predator control."

Under the new law, private hunters with special permits will be allowed to use airplanes to track wolves in large areas approved for predator control by the Alaska Board of Game. The wolves can be shot either directly from the aircraft or immediately upon landing. Although Murkowski's law is designed to boost the numbers of moose and caribou, upon which wolves prey, it does not require proof that moose and caribou populations are low. The game board can act regardless of population data and without input from the state department of fish and game.

"Past application of airborne wolf control and hunting as game-management tools have not been cost-effective, scientifically justified or supported by the general public," notes Karen Deatherage of Defenders Alaska office. Alaskans voted in 1996 to ban land-and-shoot hunting and in 2000 to stop private citizens from using aircraft to track and kill wolves for state predator-control programs. Defenders led the charge on both ballot initiatives and has consistently opposed predator-control programs based on unsound science and the participation of untrained private citizens, which increases the likelihood of animal abuses.

With snow season on its way, making it possible to track wolves from the air, Defenders and its allies are expeditiously analyzing options for halting this assault on Alaska's wolves.

For more information on how you can help protect wolves, please go to www.savewolves.org.


There are so many reasons why this is wrong, both scientific and moral. Scientifically, natural predators such as wolves keep prey populations in check, and keep the existing population healthy by weeding out old and sick individuals, thus keeping the gene pool healthier and preventing the spread of disease. In certain parts of the continental U.S., killing off the predator population has caused population explosions of pest animals like deer and rabbits, just to name a couple.

Morally...well, I won't get into why I think this is morally wrong, but I just though I'd post the article and link for anyone interested.

[Dregs]

I found this in a magazine at work today. Made me so mad to read it.

In certain parts of the continental U.S., killing off the predator population has caused population explosions of pest animals like deer and rabbits, just to name a couple.

Morally...well, I won't get into why I think this is morally wrong, but I just though I'd post the article and link for anyone interested.

This is truly retarded. How can you manage a "pest" if you don't understand the impacts of the pest? How can you understand the impacts of removing a predator if you don't census the prey population? This is just fucked. Fucked in the stupidest possible way, because its some fuckwit american governor pandering to lobby groups for votes, disguised as "pest animal control". Fuck. I thought we had moved on from blindly shooting animals as a "management" tool. There is more to wildlife management than fucking shooting them.

And I apologise for the overuse of swear words, but I can't convey how disgusted I am at this policy.

[Dregs]

Now that I've calmed down and had some time to research this, its not as bad as I first thought. I apologise for the OTT response, but that sort of thing really pissess me off.

From what I've gathered from the ADF&G press release, an experimental area has shown that predators are taking a significant proportion of moose or caribou or whatever large ungulate it is. Private shooters are not going to be aerial shooting, just land-and-shoot:-aerial shooting is to be conducted by dept. staff.

Research and into and monitoring of wolf, bear and moose populations and interactions are also an important part of the plan. The only real problem I have is that the dept. hasn't appeared to set a limit for wolf numbers or moose numbers as a recovery target, and it does appear to be politically motivated, although there is provision for the regulation and limitation of commercial harvest of moose.

I should have looked at the defenders website first. I would have realised their political motivation played a factor in the spin.


As for delisting the grey wolf, I'm not sure thats a particularly good idea. Wolves and large predators require careful management, especially in a gun happy human environment. It would be a monumental waste of the last 7 years.
Dregsy

[Jennifer]

Yes, that magazine is definitely one-sided in their views. But I don't think private shooters should be allowed to do this. It should be state department staff only, IMO, with strict guidelines on the number of wolves they kill, which, as you said Dregsy, haven't been set yet.

[Dregs]

I'm trying to get Steve Irwin to buy an island of Tasmania for 1.7 million AUD. Hopefully he can dispel my fears about his conservation ethic, as it wouldn't be particularly commercial. Loads of snakes, though, which could be attractive. It'd be a perfect refuge for Tasmanian CWR species, until they can kill the foxes off. And the dickhead who released them.

[Dregs]

Yeah so Steve doesn't want to buy me an island. Probably couldn't make any money off it. Wanker.

[Jennifer]

So does that mean I don't have a job? :cry:

[Dregs]

So does that mean I don't have a job? :cry:

'Fraid so. :sad:

[sir archely]

the NFL and Campbell's Soup will donate up to 5 million cans of soup. It doesn't really matter which team helmet you click, just click one. ~shrug~

http://www.chunky.com/click_for_cans.asp

You can click once every 24 hours.

[Cloric the Cleric]

http://www.afa.net/petitions/marriagepoll.asp

Gay marriage poll. The American Family Association is doing a poll to see who would or wouldn't favor gay marriage. They plan on submitting the results to congress to support a constitutional amendment or national law banning the rights of gay and lesbian couples to marry or even form a legal civil union. Currently, the votes are very much against them, and I'd appreciate it if we could keep it that way.

Thanks all.

CTC

[Dregs]

http://www.afa.net/petitions/marriagepoll.asp

Gay marriage poll. The American Family Association is doing a poll to see who would or wouldn't favor gay marriage. They plan on submitting the results to congress to support a constitutional amendment or national law banning the rights of gay and lesbian couples to marry or even form a legal civil union. Currently, the votes are very much against them, and I'd appreciate it if we could keep it that way.

Thanks all.

CTC

I wasn't sure if I should vote, not being a US citizen, but this was in todays paper. (and no i don't have shares in the Sydney Morning Herald) It represents a pretty big step in Australian conservative politics, and hopefully a big step for Australia itself.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/07/1073437343504.html

[Anita Blake]

~is proud to live in a nation that allows gay marriages~

[Dregs]

1) Turn of all your non essential electrical aplliances at the wall. Standby mode can account for around (on average) 12.5 % of a household energy consumption.

2) If your local government area requests that recyclable goods are seperated, make sure they are. Often, whole truck loads of recyclable materials are rejected because of inappropriate materials are in with the recyclables (and this is nearly always plastic shopping bags or pizza boxes)

3) Try to minimize the volume of non recyclabe material. Flattening cans will save space dedicated for landfill.

4) Pick up someone elses rubbish, even if you don't litter. Don't pick up rubbish if you live in a high drug use area. Thats just silly.

Try it. It isn't likely to kill you or make your life unbearable, and you never know, it might just help.

[gelflingjen]

~contented sigh~

Thanks, dregs. I was just beginning to wonder about this world...
I caught roommate one the other day whispering to roommate two,
"she recycles"
Hm.

[Kindred]

1) Turn of all your non essential electrical aplliances at the wall. Standby mode can account for around (on average) 12.5 % of a household energy consumption.

.


An ironic note: One electronic scale we have at work will actually display "OFF" until you press the on button.

[Drewmandred]

Help people push-start their cars when they need it. For some reason I keep doing this, I think it makes the whole experience better for the other person. Although I really should stop walking home through carparks. You get all sorts of snooty guys walking past going 'OMG, that car is not working, that would never happen to my lexus'.

It's all part of my 'random acts of kindness plan for making the world a more liveable place'.

To balance out the negative kharma I accrue each day with my 'make life miserable for postgraduate students with minor nags and being a general jerk because I secretly hate everyone plan'.

Also: give pocket change to the Salvation Army. I only support 2 charities, and the RSPCA doesn't have enough collection dudes. Sorry. I got off the track some.

[Lilith]

for some reason i always end up helping kids that are lost. i have many times been in places (stores, parks, beaches...) where children seem to have lost track of their parents ( :rolleyes: actually parents loose their children). but anyway, i have stood there and watched scared screaming children, and sooo many people just watching them, without helping or doing anything... what the hell is wrong with this picture?! :eyebrow: i am freaked of the idea of taking my eyes off my kids or having them wander off and all these "bystanders" just watching and doing nothing...

the other day, this little boy was lost in the store... (i know, how lost can you actually get in a grocery store, point being, he was scared cause he thought he lost his mom). so i see him running around all over the place and everyone else is just staring. i went and talked to him... calmed him down, picked him up and put him on top of my shoulders to help him locate his blockhead mother... walked through every aisle until he spotted his mommy. now how hard is that?! i've done that plenty of times may i add. :)

[gelflingjen]

In NYC you walk the streets in close approximation to many people at a time. But never quite With other people. We tend to-out of fear, out of ego...I dunno-set ourselves either inches ahead or behind one another, but never walk shoulder to shoulder with a stranger.
The neighborhood I live in is part Rastafarian. What a joyful crowd! This morning I had off from work (actually, I was fired again-what's wrong with me?! twice in five months!), and I went out to the store for some groceries with my last ten dollars(note the poorme thrown in there). I started out Ruuushing, as is like to do here in the city. I had to stop myself and breathe, sing a chorus of 59th St Bridge Song and move on at a more human pace. At the store, having a quarter left over, I bought a flower, to brighten my heart in these dark times(Pooooor me!).
On my way home, a kindness was done to me. A carmely sunshine smelling faintly of different lands walked the street with me shoulder to shoulder. He sang me sweet and rich songs of love of faith of hope all the way home. He never pulled forward that standard inch ahead of me or let himself fall a step behind. His songs bypassed by ears and went straight to my heart. All I had left besides tears was my flower. Now it gets to sun it's face in his sunshine and send me messages of his songs on the breeze between our homes.

Maybe I should give up looking for a job and write sappy, poor poetry instead. I sure as hell feel it these days. :dozey:

[ericalynn]

Thanks for the Kosher salt tip!

Fairy: I clicked the links. I'll try to click them when I remember in the future too. I'm not working on the weekends anymore so if you want some house guests maybe Jenny! and I could come to visit sometime?

[stlltruckin]

•Giving Is Good for You

It's official -- giving is better than receiving.

Acts of kindness such as serving meals at a homeless shelter, running to the pharmacy for a sick friend, or lending emotional support to a significant other may help people live longer, a recent study concluded. Do something kind and compassionate for someone else each day and you'll reap health benefits as well.

Bonding with others and having a sense of purpose are vital to mental well-being. A healthy mental state, in turn, translates into increased immunity and improved cardiovascular health. In a study, people who devoted time and energy to others as well as provided emotional support to their spouses enjoyed increased longevity compared to their less generous peers. Lend a hand to friends, family members, and neighbors when the need arises. You also can look for opportunities to give to the community by volunteering at your local library, hospital, soup kitchen, or animal rescue shelter.

RealAge Benefit: Taking care of your emotional health and well-being can make your RealAge up to 16 years younger.

RealAge Smart Search: Learn more about the link between social support and health.

Originally published on 01/9/2006.

[sir archely]

Check out freerice.com

I don't know much about it, so it's entirely possible someone will post here about how crappy it is, but it's a site that uses the hits you generate by playing simple educational games to make money from banner ads. That money goes to buying rice.

[gelflingjen]

most of my time these last two years has been spent working for the anti-human trafficking movement. you know...abolishing slavery and whatnot ~grin. for a little more info, check out thebodyasanally.com. That's a site sharing what I've been doing - which in a nutshell is travelling nationally and internationally offering workshops to caregivers and counselors who work directly with people who have survived experiences of human trafficking. Usually for the purpose of sexual exploitation.

If you have q's, let me know. Advocate...spread info...general revolution schtuff. cheers.

[sir archely]

wow, that's admirable jen. i can't speak for anyone else, but i'd love to hear some of your personal experiences. glad to see you back here for a bit.

[gelflingjen]

wow, that's admirable jen. i can't speak for anyone else, but i'd love to hear some of your personal experiences. glad to see you back here for a bit.

Thanks, Arch.

'Advocacy' is the new 'peaceful protest'. Here's a couple of factoids that if you're interested you could share at work today: right now human beings are our third biggest illegal import (sources actually suggest that its closer to second, neck and neck with arms - drugs being our first). And that 80% of these people are being transported for the purpose of sexual exploitation. 50% of these people are believed to be children.

One of the most beautiful things in the world was dancing with women and men and weekins in India, laughing with them, learning with them, loving them and being loved in return. I have many new sisters and brothers now. India being India, they still write me, sending me love, nudging me to get married, have a baby and come live there (to many of my friends there, I am an old old maid, with an unseemly number - zero - of babies at my breast). ~laugh Despite this, I miss it there. Lack of necessary credentials is never an issue when wanting to really DO something. Here, there are so many hoops. I couldn't just buy a piece of land and have survivors come live and learn hope again in a safe place until they wish to leave, which is what I would love to do.

Keep on keeping on. There is a Revolution going on, afterall...

[Amelia]

Here's a couple of factoids that if you're interested you could share at work today: right now human beings are our third biggest illegal import (sources actually suggest that its closer to second, neck and neck with arms - drugs being our first).



I totally read that wrong and thought the 2nd illegal import was necks and or necks with arms AND i read that aloud to my co-workers.

yep, Im that stupid.

[Eyreplenh]

I didn't really know it was that high either, but it makes sense, in a twisted way. Keep on working your magic, gelflingjen, because each day you're seen doing this the chance increases some of us sitting around going "hmm, yeah, that's really bad" actually get up and help. It might happen, anyway. Lets hope:)

[gelflingjen]

Thanks guys. And once we take care of slavery, we can get on that 'transport and sale of necks and/or necks with arms' issue. (Laughed my ass off at this, by the way) Right up there with Rabbi's selling human kidney's in Hoboken, JN. (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aBblMZUVJ6To)

[Tipiman]

I totally read that wrong and thought the 2nd illegal import was necks and or necks with arms AND i read that aloud to my co-workers.

yep, Im that stupid.

:blush: OK so maybe NOT so stupid. I had to read it twice myself.
Jen - you sound like you are doing an admirable thing. My wish for you is to never become jaded by the enormity of it all and have three lifetimes of energy to continue. Thank you for this good thing you do.

[night faerie]

Is it sad that just now I went to unsticky this post because I now think it's a whole bunch of hullaballoo and clicking on links doesn't do anything for anyone... and if it does, it just means some idiot (or idiot company) HAS money that could be going to help people/animals/earth but isn't going to actually help unless it can get you to click a link (I have the same issues with cereal and yogurt companies that will donate to breast cancer (or whatever) if you just enter this code on your package into this website - It's like donate your money or don't but don't make the public jump through hoops for you just so you can glean some marketing info from them!).

Whew! Bit of a run-on sentence issue there, heh? Anyway I decided to leave it stuck because even if I don't enter the thread, it's still maybe a good sign to see at the top of the forum... Do some good today. Right?