Knife of Dreams - SPOILERS! SPOILERS! You have been warned.

[Cloric the Cleric]

Okay....now that I've read it, I absolutly can't wait to start talking about it...


this is EASILY the best of the books in a long while...

Favorite parts, anyone who's read it?


And buck to respond to your WoT Discussion post...

after the Epilogue? I think I had to get up and walk around at like 4 distinct points in the book...just thrilled that they were what they were..

[Buck]

Anyone who sticks their nose in here without reading the book to the end, gets spoiled...




Yea,

When Taim tells the reds at the very end "As they say, let the lord of chaos rule" and the ashamen laugh... I had an omfg moment. Part of me wants to think that RJ is really screwing around with us. How could you not think/want that Taim=demandred after reading that!? For all intensive purposes he is just as evil/ruthless/sadistic as Demandred would be.

*cringes*

[Cloric the Cleric]

I don't think anyone has doubted in a good long while that Demandred was evil...but I think RJ even specifically said that Taim =/= Demandred in a Q&A sometime back....

but yeah, his use of that quote made me sit up and take notice...then thinking about Semmy having said it in the prologue to Suroth...Who I was VERY happy to see get what was coming to her, her and Galina both...but back to the original point...it was very odd...

What did you think the "*Gasp* That's horrible!" moment was...I have my own idea, but I'm curious what you think...

[Buck]

Im supposing you mean the reference RJ made to some 'effect' of something in KoD that was 'gasp' worthy that was directly attributed by an action in a previous book?


Probably the whole bit with Ayamans that drink the special koolaid.
On some level, I suppose that a whole culture commiting suicide is horrendous, but they were rarely mentioned. No characters were mentioned at all in depth, nor was there culture/society told about in the series at all. How am I supposed gasp about that? :eyebrow: Call me a heartless bastard I guess. :p


So, saidin was cleansed but at the cost of some cultists lives?

boohoo /sarcasm


what do you think it is?

[Cloric the Cleric]

Hmm....now that you mention it, I suppose that is what he might have been getting at...


I was thinking Rolan's death. We were supposed to be happy that he was helping Faile (as a general readership, no matter how many actually wished for her death), and his reward was to be killed out of hand by Perrin... I thought at the time that it was very sad...all that seperated them was an idealogical difference about the Car'a'carn...

[Buck]

See this is why Im beginning to think Im a heartless sob. I dont give diddly about Roland either. Hell, Rand lost his hand and I dont really feel his pain. Even the mains like Rand or Perrin can die in the next book and it wouldnt phase me. Rand has turned into whiny wimpy kid with a jillion people in his head and Perrin is obsessing about his wife. Mat has gotten lots of cool points this book, he is much redeemed considered the garbage that RJ had him doing with Tylin in Ebu dar.

Oh, while I brought up people inside Rand's head, do you think the reason Moridin is in his head now may be because Moridin might have bonded him in some form using the true power or do you think its just from the crossing of the balefire streams? :eyebrow:

[Amelia]

Read the book in a couple of days, kinda light reading for RJ! But I loved it!

the 'oh, thats horrible' moment? Im not sure. I could be when Aram dies or when Rand loses a hand but werent we warned he was going to lose or hand? or was it an eye? cant remember.

I think Rand and Moridin might be bonded in some way but maybe not. Whenever he thinks or Perrin and Mat he sees them just like when he thinks of Moridin his face appears.

oh and Tam showed up Im like OH MY GOD!! that was the shiznit....RJ you and your all powerful beard ROCK!

[Buck]

Oh yea, it can very well be Aram turning on Perrin! *smack* Perrin allowed a tinker to pick up a sword and he ended up turning on his loyal friend. Amelia, you hit the nail on the head with that one. I completely forgot about it.

Yea Rand is the one who loses...err lost his hand.

Mat is the one who loses an eye. He is supposed to give up half the light of the world to save it or something... Was it the foxes who said that? Mins viewing also shows him putting his eye on a scale or something right?

I need to do some research. :quirk:

[Vivacia]

What totally got me was that they FINALLY figure out they can rescue Moraine. I got all giddy...and then it didn't happen! Rolan dying...eh. Rand losing his hand sucks cuz I was so looking forward to a big sword fight between he and Galad. AND...if Taim isn't demandred, as RJ has said straight out, then who the hell is he?? I think I need to read it again. I was to OMGing the first time around. OH, and Tuon...LOVE her.

[Buck]

Oh yea, I just remembered.

That whole business with Aludra and the bell founders finally has come to fruition. For I dont know how many books I wanted to slap her about for playing mind games with Mat when she could just build the damn dragons and fire couple dragon eggs. All is ok though, The Band of the Red Hand is going to be packing some heat at the Last Battle.


Im just wondering how the White Tower can be resolved and the Last Battle can happen in one book. Im not sure RJ can fit it all in, especially if you finally get to see Moraine be rescued from teh tower.


I also can not wait to see Lan's army being built up, just writning this statement is giviing me goose bumps. Nynaeve gains kudos fordoing what she did up in the borderlands.


Taishar!


:D

[Amelia]

since RJ said that some things will not be tied up at the end I think we will have some sense that the white tower will be made whole but its going to take time starting right after the last battle. Same thing with the Seanchan, he wont tie up all of those story lines either. What Im mostly thinking is the whole leashing of women who can channel. Thats a whole ball of wax that is not going to be answered in one book.

oooh thats right Mat has the eye thingy.


Damn only one book left, DAMNIT.

[sir archely]

funny, i came in here without having read the book just because i was curious as to how well-regarded it was by you guys... well, and i don't mind spoilers usually. just cause whatever.

but i think it's amusing that so far all the "spoilers" here are basically things that i (and pretty much everyone i think) expected to happen anyway. only thing i really didn't expect was that stuff with a culture going suicidal... but that sounds like it's something out of the blue anyway.

~shrug~

[epiph]

Yeah, everyone knew it was going to happen, it was just a matter of when exactly. I'm a little over halfway through now and I can't say as I'm all that impressed. The bit with Nyn, while touching, was strangely written...I mean, RJ spent a couple pages going on about this guy thinking about selling his gems, and the whizzes past the emotionalling touching parts. And I get really annoyed with how inept all the big bad guys have become; they used to be scary, now they're annoyances.

[Buck]

I dont know about you, but the last page scared the hell out of me.

Keep reading. ;)

[Dregs]

Oh, while I brought up people inside Rand's head, do you think the reason Moridin is in his head now may be because Moridin might have bonded him in some form using the true power or do you think its just from the crossing of the balefire streams? :eyebrow:

You what? Damn it, I'm going to have to re-read the book, cos I missed this.

In other news, yup, best book for a long time. I was actually nervous when Faile went into the house to meet Galina. But she got out OK. Which made me slightly wary, the fact that everything was working out for the good guys. ANd RJ clearing some stuff up (Aelfinn, Tower of Ghenji, etc etc.)

[Vivacia]

Did anyone else get the feeling this book was a bit rushed? Especially after the last book which did nothing but drag. I thought if I had to read one more word about Elayne and her clothes and the Houses she needed I'd puke. Anyway, I got the feeling that perhaps RJ feels his impending age and is at least TRYING to bing the series to an end. Personally, I'd be willing to let him stretch it another 3 books, so long as he's put in a plastic bubble and not allowed to be harmed or die before last book is written.

-Let the Lord of Chaos rule...

[Apoc]

well fuck me...gah where to begin...

RJ definately said Taim was NOT Demandred, he's said that for so long with a sort of grumbling "duh" at the end which has always bugged me...cause if he's not demandred, then who the bloody hell is he? ~shrugs~ give a toss, he's bad and rand will kill him in the end ~nods~

But yeah, it is a good one, I had gotten used to not much happening in WoT that it was so refreshing the story moving aloung...but what a rushed pace it went! I mean damn, big mysteries from previous books ended in mere moments then passed by with barely a thought, just a tick on the long list of things he needed to tie up...it was good to get in rands head again...i was seriously pissed that he had such a tiny role in CoT...but the crowning glory for KoD is RJ's realisation that Birgitte and Mat are the real stars of the show...good to see them getting good things to do :)

if i got to write the last book i'd kill off perrin and rand and all the other main chars except Mat and Birgitte and they'd stand against the dark ones hordes with Ituralde YEAH :D :broken:

Liked: Birgitte to the rescue!
Mat a Toy no longer in Tuons eyes but the quality ass kickin general he is YAY
Mat kick'n Seanchan ass.
Egwene bein a baaaad girl and putting the white tower to shame with her vastly superior abilities and everything.
Logain getting the gasps with the order to sail for Tarmon Gai'don yeah!
The cool Warder checkin on the dark Aes Sedai before Elayne goes and gets caught.
Rand and Lews Therin so amusing
Rand losing a hand, that made me laugh hehe

Disliked: Elaynes being pregnant annoyances...like i really need to know what the midwifes doing whilst shes being weighed and stuff...whilst she's being weighed! that was just shite.
Why is it all the Aes Sedai who aren't the main goodies, fckn dumbasses now ~shakes head~
RJ's military numbers, i mean come on....hundred thousand here, hundred thousand there...calm down man!
Perrin turning into the winy Anakin Skywalker esque...everything for my love for Faile, nothing else matters, everyones life here isn't worth a damn against Faile...oh give me a break...and he WOULD be the one who stumbles into her wouldn't he ~shakes head~

but yeah...liked it :thup:

I didn't much pick up on Moridin being in rands head though...got a quote anybody...cause i sure missed it :confused:

[Vivacia]

Crown of Swords, CHAPTER: 33 – A Bath
Min says...
“It was you and another man. I couldn’t make out either face, but I knew one was you. You touched, and seemed to merge in to one another… I don’t know what it means, Rand, except that one of you dies.”

Rand interprets this to mean he and Lews Therin will merge and one will die. This is not, however, so certain. Rand only thinks this because he has not yet gone through the touching balefire incident. This man he merges with almost HAS to be Moridin.

Crown of Swords, CHAPTER: 41 - A Crown of Swords

"Head ringing like a struck gong, Rand convulsed, saidin and the Void shattering. Everything was doubled in his eyes, the balconies, the chunks of stone lying about the floor. There seemed to be a pair of the other man overlapping one another, each clutching his head between two hands. Blinking, Rand searched for Mashadar."


Knife of Dreams, CHAPTER 21 – Within the Stone

“The face of the man from Shadar Logoth floated in his head for a moment. He looked furious. And near to sicking up. Without any doubt he was aware of Rand, and Rand of him. Move a hair in any direction, and they would touch.”


And from a long time ago...
The Eye of the World CHAPTER 24, "Flight Down the Arinelle"

"Rand turned about in one spot, staring. Staring at his own image thrown back at him a thousandfold. Ten thousandfold. Above was blackness, and blackness below, but all around him stood mirrors, mirrors set at every angle, mirrors as far as he could see, all showing him, crouched and turning, staring wide-eyed and frightened.

A red blur drifted across the mirrors. He spun, trying to catch it, but in every mirror it drifted behind his own image and vanished. Then it was back again, but not as a blur. Ba'alzamon strode across the mirrors, ten thousand Ba'alzamons, searching, crossing and recrossing the slivery mirrors.

He found himself staring at the reflection of his own face, pale and shivering in the knife-edge cold. Ba'alzamon's image grew behind his, staring at him; not seeing, but staring still. In every mirror, the flames of Ba'alzamon's face raged behind him, enveloping, consuming, merging. He wanted to scream, but his throat was frozen. There was only one face in those endless mirrors. His own face. Ba'alzamon's face. One face."

Since we know Moridin is Ishamael/Ba'alzamon...we know that's who he's "linked" to somehow.

[Apoc]

heh, i knew that :blush:

I just forgot he was Moridin...i thought it was still a bit of a mystery who he actually was :broken:

But yeah...a part of Knife of Dreams that I thought i would have loved that i didn't was the attack on rand by the hundreds of thousands of trollocs...i thought it was dealt with faaar too easily for the number launched against him...i liked how lews therin was wondering why he couldn't raise his hands, i just found it a little...ummm...unreal the amount that he slaughtered so easily ~shrugs~

I think it would of been better if it where a few thousand maybe but not in the hundreds of thousands...that was just silly and too much...the shadow doesn't seem so badass when that many are defeated so easily.

[Amelia]

I liked it since we got to see how Ogier can kick some ass! ooooh and Loial is married! I think he will talk at the great stump but his wife will let him come and help and finish his book, and she will come also.

[epiph]

Ok, so I'm finished. I can't say I am any more impressed than I was halfway through the book. It's like Arch said, nothing really unexpected or shocking happens, except Rand losing his hand, I guess, and Semi getting caught (now, she freaks me out), and there is still WAY too much description of dresses. It was basically a book of resolving plot lines that have been needing resolution for a good three or four books. I really hope I never hear anything about Therava and Galina ever again. I have no idea how everything that needs to happen before Tarmon Gaidon can fit in one book.

Am I the only one who wonders who in hell the Seafolk have ever managed to do a profitable business with the shorebound with their attitudes? They seem to think that they are the only people on the planet who matter...I guess like everyone else in Randland. How do these people communicate effectively?

[Vivacia]

This isn't my theory, but it makes perfect sense. I'd like to know what ya'll think...
Ok, we know the result of using Balefire.”The world and universe evaporating like mist.” We know that, during the War, both sides stopped using it in fear that the world wouldn’t exist. This is EXACTLY what is happening in KoD. The village disappearing, Mat dodging invisible people in the street, the villlage at So harbor in CoT, hallways moving, the dead walking and wardings failing. The dark one has Demandread balefiring certain people to umake reality and make it easier for him to increase his touch upon the world. Tarmon Gaidon is coming and it's coming FAST. Before the bore was sealed the Chosen and those who fought for the Light each just stopped using balefire. No truce, no quarter given, they just stopped because they realized what it was doing to the pattern. The Bore was sealed and the Dark One was cut off from the world. He's not taking any chances this time. He is going to unmake reality and force any advantage He can to win this time. Here are some refernce points. Thoughts?


Lord of Chaos, Chapter: Prologue - The First Message

"THE CHOSEN DWINDLE, DEMANDRED. THE WEAK FALL AWAY. WHO BETRAYS ME SHALL DIE THE FINAL DEATH. ASMODEAN, TWISTED BY HIS WEAKNESS. RAHVIN DEAD IN HIS PRIDE. HE SERVED WELL, YET EVEN I CANNOT SAVE HIM FROM BALEFIRE. EVEN I CANNOT STEP OUTSIDE OF TIME. For an instant terrible anger filled that awful voice, and could it be frustration? An instant only. DONE BY MY ANCIENT ENEMY, THE ONE CALLED DRAGON. WOULD YOU UNLEASH THE BALEFIRE IN MY SERVICE, DEMANDRED?"


Lord of Chaos, Chapter: Prologue - The First Message

"Demandred hesitated. A bead of sweat slid half an inch on his cheek; it seemed to take an hour. For a year during the War of Power, both sides had used balefire. Until they learned the consequences. Without agreement, or truce (there had never been a truce any more than there had been quarter) each side simply stopped. Entire cities died in balefire that year, hundreds of thousands of threads burned from the Pattern; reality itself almost

unraveled, world and universe evaporating like mist. If balefire was unleashed once more, there might be no world to rule."

Demandred expresses his obedience to the Dark One. Then:

"SO YOU SHALL. "Great Lord, the Dragon can be destroyed." A dead man could not wield balefire again, and perhaps then the Great Lord would see no need for it. "He is ignorant and weak, scattering his attentions in a dozen directions. Rahvin was a vain fool. I---"

"WOULD YOU BE NAE'BLIS? Demandred's tongue froze. Nae'blis. The one who would stand only a step below the Great Lord, commanding all others. "I wish only to serve you, Great Lord, however I may." Nae'blis.

"THEN LISTEN, AND SERVE. HEAR WHO WILL DIE AND WHO LIVE. Demandred screamed as the voice crashed home. Tears of joy rolled down his face. Unmoving, the Myrddraal watched him."


Fires of Heaven, Chapter: 6 - Gateways

"Why do you think even the Forsaken feared to use it? Think of the effect on the Pattern of a single thread, one man, removed from hours, or days, that have already been woven, like one thread picked partly out of a piece of cloth. Fragments of manuscripts remaining from the War of Power say several entire cities were destroyed with balefire before both sides realized the dangers. Hundreds of thousands of threads pulled from the Pattern, gone for days already past; whatever those people had done, now no longer had been done, and neither had what others had done because of their actions. The memories remained, but not the actions: The ripples were incalculable. The Pattern itself nearly unraveled. It could have been the destruction of everything. World, time, Creation itself."



Knife of Dreams Chapter: A Village in Shiota

“Keep going!” Mat bellowed. “They’re dead! Keep going!” Behind him, someone gasped, Tuon or Selucia. Maybe both.

Suddenly the peddler’s horses screamed, tossing their heads madly. They screamed like animals beyond the ragged edge of terror and kept screaming.

…

Hat in hand, the round peddler leaped down to see what was the matter with his horses.

Landing, he lurched awkwardly and looked down at his feet. His hat fell from his hand, landing on the hardpacked road. That was when he began screaming. The paving stones were gone, and he was ankle-deep in the road, just like his shrieking horses. Ankle-deep and sinking into rock-hard clay as if into a bog, just like his horses and his wagon. And the village, houses and people melting slowly into the ground. The people never stopped what they were doing. Women walked along carrying baskets, a line of men carried a large timber on their shoulders, children darted about, and the fellow at the grindstone continued sharpening his hatchet, all of them nearly knee-deep in the ground by this time.”

[Dregs]

Am I the only one who wonders who in hell the Seafolk have ever managed to do a profitable business with the shorebound with their attitudes? They seem to think that they are the only people on the planet who matter...I guess like everyone else in Randland. How do these people communicate effectively?

I thought egocentrism was the central theme of the series. Aes Sedai, Sea Folk, Seanchen, Wise Ones, Children of the Light, all demanding they're right. I wonder how Randland didn't degenerate into a free-for-all after Hawkwing.

As for the balefire theory, I think it has merit. Though hopefully its wrong, otherwise Rand & Co will have to spend another book fixing time or some such.

[Amos]

Ok, so I'm finished. I can't say I am any more impressed than I was halfway through the book. It's like Arch said, nothing really unexpected or shocking happens, except Rand losing his hand, I guess, and Semi getting caught (now, she freaks me out), and there is still WAY too much description of dresses. It was basically a book of resolving plot lines that have been needing resolution for a good three or four books. I really hope I never hear anything about Therava and Galina ever again. I have no idea how everything that needs to happen before Tarmon Gaidon can fit in one book.
Rand losing his hand didn't come as a surprise to me. It's been more than hinted at. And Semi getting caught was just another example of RJ reusing old plot lines (other examples being the black sisters kidnapping someone, the random emergence of a Talent (Aviendha), Egwene getting spanked, etc.). I don't know why I persist in reading this series. Closure, I guess.

[epiph]

I don't know why I persist in reading this series. Closure, I guess.

Same here, I think. I am embarrassed that I still buy these books, even though the cashiers have no idea how degrading it is to me...

[Anita Blake]

hehe, i just finished KoD today (now i've learned to just aske for them for christmas, thus saving me from actually having to buy them). definitely the best book for ages, but like cassander said: enough with the freaking numbers. the sizes of the armies are just getting silly. oh no, there's 60,000 people marching on caemlyn. and antoher army of 30,000 sitting on their duffs. and i'm training another 40,000 people, while that other army has several hundred thousand people just sitting about milling around in tents whipping slaves. Seriously, the numbers of people in the army far exceed my suspension of disbelief for the amount of people in randland. I just have a hard time believing that an agrarian horse and plow society could support cities with several million people each, which must be the case otherwise these armies are filled with imaginary soldiers.

minor point.

what is currently making me angry is the refusal to elaborate on cool story elements like nyneave and lan and the rebirth of malkier. instead, i get, well, ok, this book gave quite a lot. Still, i have to say i still could have done with less Rand. I don't care if he's supposed to be the main character, he's BORING! egwene was where it was at.

I'm struggling though, because, that two pages of nyneave basically pushing an army upon lan was so brief, succinct and to the point. Clearly, RJ understands how to tell a story briefly. Why doesn't he do it?! sigh. i knwo i'll keep reading WOT until it's conclusion just because i have to finish it, but he is delving into some serious silliness. (but at least there was some plot advancement in this book. that was a fun change)

[Bellaedonna]

*covers eyes* I just started reading it yesterday! I'll come back after I'm done. I got so frustrated with Crossroads at Twilight, I quit reading it about 100-ish pages from the end. :cry:

[Apoc]

Clearly, RJ understands how to tell a story briefly. Why doesn't he do it?! sigh.

Of course he does...take basic understandings that a five year old moron would know...get everyone but the main characters to not understand and be ignorant fools for the whole story whilst the heroes attempt to painstakingly slowly get them to understand without just bashing them across the head, describe in detail what everyones wearing, what every hall, tile, carpet, everthing pointless looks like, how big every army is, have a character get kidnapped, have a betrayal somewhere, have pining by lead characters many women, have dumbasses being snotnosed and bitchy whilst heroes wave at camera and smile cheesy grins...and just randomly skip through plot development as pleased;stretching to largest amount of words=more money ~nods~

[Buck]

Milking the cash cow indeed.

fact 1-
Legends generated so much interest in Moraine and Lan first setting out that RJ has been working on a complete prequel trilogy to cover this.

Suspicion-
Why stop at prequels when you can make another trilogy that covers Lan gathering up the borderlanders and taking back Manetheren. If he doesnt put this in the last book... I see him milking the cash cow and making a stellar follow up series to cover this base. That and I see him writing about Moraine's imprisonment...


This I fortell.

[Amos]

I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy, but...


I hope he gets writer's block.

[sir archely]

heh, i figured out the asking for these books for xmas so long ago, i don't have to ask for them anymore. somehow my mother keeps herself in the know of a fantasy series' release date. which is, to say the least, nothing short of incredible.

i have to grudgingly say that this book actually gave me hope that the series may 1)end soon, and 2)end decently. definitely some terrible parts (read as: all of anything involving things remotely connected to elayne), but also parts that were encouraging. i did enjoy the egwene stuff, in addition to loial/erith/his mom/elder bit. the part with nynaeve and the malkieri guys was just great. i think forced servitude may actually have helped faile's character be more likable.

i was highly disappointed with the manner in which rand loses his hand though. i mean, c'mon. perfect set up to have him actually be captured for a moment, and have the losing of a hand be the manner by which someone gets the bracelet off him and thereby stops the carnage he's being forced to create. no, instead he's just being a moron and gets blasted. bah. one time when i would have encouraged RJ to spend more time on a section and he rushes it.

[Jonboy]

allright all well and good. first off some theries

1st, remember "lord of chaos" well RJ was refering to Taim, not rand. if you already knew that great, but i realized it this last book.

i think the "giving up half the light of the world to save the world" was the sa'agreal melting down and being destroyed. half the light of the world, no?

the chick min keeps telling rand is going to help him die? well that has to do with lews therin and morridin. rand was told to win the last battle he had to die... but it was said as "to live, you must die" so therin and morridin will be gone from him, and with them his madness.

RJ said himself, there will only be one more book, he doesnt care how long it has to be, but it will be one book, and it will be the last.

the knife of dreams is the small ter'agreal than elayne has that "whats her face" gave her.... no idea why its the title of the book, but thats the knife of dreams...

mat will probly get ravens tattoed of his arse.....just guessing there

ummmm..... i cant remember the rest, but i do know who killed asmodean.... RJ said it was "obvious to the casual observer" whoever that is......

[epiph]

Actually, that half the light of the world thing, I wonder if it means giving up saidar to save the world...because saidar does seem to be failing on a monumental scale. Although I don't think any of the Aes Sedai with Rand have mentioned it, just the tower factions. Wouldn't that be a nice turn "Men can't channel because they'll detroy the world...crap, women can't channel anymore."

Shot in the dark, but what do you think?

[sir archely]

wasn't the 'half the light of the world' a mat prophecy? not a rand prophecy? i'm not sure how either of those things involve mat enough to have it be about him... i could be wrong though. it's been a while.

[Jonboy]

it cant be saidar failing, because the one power cant be whole without both halves. and it could be about mat. in norse mythology, odin gives one of his eyes to see the future, past,and present. mat gave part of his life to see the past. just a thought. (plus im drunk so i may not be thinking very clearly)

anyway...

oh and arch!!! the cat is the shit!!!!!

[Amos]

ja. mat, and losing an eye, no doubt, in keeping with his Life of Odin parallels. i think it's weird how RJ's prophecies are all so concrete. and also boring. he talks them up way too much, and then they just sorta happen, like with Mat getting married and Rand losing his hand.

~goes off randomly on a Dr. Seuss tangent~

Rand. Hand. Rand has Hand. Rand loses Hand. Hand loses Rand. Rand. Hand. Bland!

[Jonboy]

ja. mat, and losing an eye, no doubt, in keeping with his Life of Odin parallels. i think it's weird how RJ's prophecies are all so concrete. and also boring. he talks them up way too much, and then they just sorta happen, like with Mat getting married and Rand losing his hand.

~goes off randomly on a Dr. Seuss tangent~

Rand. Hand. Rand has Hand. Rand loses Hand. Hand loses Rand. Rand. Hand. Bland!


isnt that how life works tho? life just sorta happens, no one thing makes you who you are, just as rjs characters. it is merely a part of who they are... oh yeah, does tuon know mat is the hornsounder? i forgot.....

[jUstIn]

lol i love the trip mat pulls on tuon. she all wha??? he has an army? what? hehe

[Winged-Beast]

i have read all of these wheel books and am looking very much for the last one. i hope it is able to be written and that robert jordan makes a very good complete recovery.

i think the light of the world was for mat not for rand so rand will do other things.

[Jonboy]

oh and rj said he wasnt going to tie up every plot line.... some things were just going to have to be implied.... the little plot lines in each book were there for that book only, to sorta fill in the story a bit better.... he said the last book will tie up the major plot lines... maybe not every sub plot in the series.... he was ready for closure before he died. (rip RJ we all miss you dearly) so that being said, all the players for the final battle have been introduced and fleshed out to an extent, but dont expect EVERYTHING to be spelled out and handed to you. you have been reading the books so you kinda know where things are going. RJ belived his readers were smart enough to figure some things out on their own