Houses

[Apoc]

So...from the Admin for a Day forum...suggestion for groups/houses of the quill...the Houses and positions are as i would want them...the rules ~shrugs~ you’d know what can and can’t be done and thus i leave up to admin tamperings heh

The Houses of the Quill:

High House Night (Dark)
For those who have a dark nature.
King
Queen
Knight
Magi
Weaver
Herald
-
High House Moon (Shadow)
For those who are mysterious and have a dark disposition.
King
Queen
Assassin
Knight
Magi
Herald
-
High House Sun (Light)
For those who are golden.
King
Queen
Champion
Priest
Maiden
Herald
-
High House Dusk (Death)
For those who are dark, violent and grim.
King
Queen
Knight
Soldier
Weaver
Herald
-
High House Dawn (Life)
For those of a good disposition.
King
Queen
Maiden
Champion
Weaver
Herald
-
High House Chaos (Unaligned)
For those with an insane disposition.
King
Consort
Knight
Magi
Philosopher
Fool
-


Six Houses for six admins....with six positions in each House. An admin should be in their respective highest position be it King or Queen of a House each, though say you wish to be in another position like Champion or Weaver then thats fine, but whoever you choose as King or Queen of your respective House, then authority on who joins the House goes to them...highest position in deck rules House...simple no?

Queen card, if an admin...then that gets placed as highest card of that House.

Members ascended into a House position should be in a House of their disposition.
-Example, Nacht would be ideal for Houses Night, Moon and Dusk...but not Sun, Dawn or Chaos...well maybe Chaos. But Jabb would be the opposite...understand? He’d be a good contender for champion of dawn or something.

There are 30 positions in total, after all admins have taken rule of a House, to fill with members...its up to King or Queen positions who comes in their house and fills a position. If a member wishes to be in a specific position, they need please the admin with some challenge the admin sets... (say a 100 word story about water for example) but yeah...it should be difficult for a member to attain a place in a House....when launched...an admin can only recruit 1 member for their House a day (or week ~shrugs~) if they so choose, no mad quick recruiting.

A King or Queen can make up two more positions of their choice but only after all other positions are filled in their House.

Ummm yeah...so i don’t quite know how the groups thing works...can the group have a rep system of its own? Cause then we could have a war of groups competition each month where points are earned for the group by entrants from that group participating or something...a score for battle (writing competition..or an avy war battle or a 100 words story battle) or something ~shrugs~ anything...just something that gets more writing and creativity flowing through the quill ya know...a lil competition between teams is always good i say...works usually better cause your not just representing yourself...at least thats how i see it anyway...meh i’m what some people consider wierd though...so whatever heh,

so yeah...thats my suggestion,

-Cass

[Dregs]

I think we all know who the fool of chaos will be, right?

[Apoc]

wiggin maybe? :broken:

i did a test run, filling in all the positions with members...most, where i think they should be...i don't think the whole thing will get filled if it does get done, but its nice to know everyone can fit in more or less with just a few strays...but then there is the option to add two more positions to each House once House is full...so...just a test draft...this isn't how it'll be for sure but its a rough...

The Houses of the Quill:
High House Moon (Shadow)
For those who are mysterious and have a dark disposition.
Queen - night faerie
King - ChronoDmin
Assassin - supuradam
Knight - Darth Everhate
Magi - JEDIWAN
Herald - gelflingjen
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High House Dusk (Death)
For those who are dark, violent and grim.
King - LaughingTurtle
Queen - Mesaana
Knight - Nachtnoir
Soldier - Cassander
Weaver - Vivacia
Herald - Lilith
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High House Night (Dark)
For those who have a dark nature.
Queen - dark fuschia
King - Jonboy
Knight - Eyreplenh
Magi - Tatum
Weaver - Anita Blake
Herald - Dregs
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High House Dawn (Life)
For those of a good disposition.
King - Malcor Sylverwood
Queen - Alexia
Maiden - Amelia
Champion - Buck
Weaver - jabbernaut
Herald - SonoftheSands
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High House Sun (Light)
For those who are golden.
King - Mike
Queen - Jennifer
Champion - Waffles
Priestess - AquaFizz
Maiden - Amyrlin
Herald - Corvus Corax
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High House Chaos (Unaligned)
For those with an insane disposition.
King - sir archely
Consort - Arianna
Knight (of insolence) - QuirkyTemplate
Magi - wiggin
Philosopher - james
Fool - Lyle
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apologies to those left out at the mo...it is just a rough test explanation run.

[Amelia]

Im glad you did this cause I wasnt sure where I would fall. Tis cool.

[Alexia]

That looks interesting...

<hi5s Draft Team Dawn>

[Buck]

Ugh, this is making me want to start reading the books... Cass, I hate you.


Lexi, where is my 401K?
*bites lexi's hand*

[Lyle]

Do I really have an insane disposition? :eyebrow:

'Fool' okay, yes. Obviously. Insane though?


(~waves from Australia~ The weather's warm here and the natives are dark and nubile...)

[Jennifer]

hehe, I'm golden... :D

~sticks tongue out at Dregs~

See? I'm NOT evil. :p

[Vivacia]

Weaver...I like that.

It seems like an interesting proposition.

[night faerie]

OK just a comment on what you’ve already set up. For one thing, how can you not put Lexi (girl with the golden touch) in the HH Sun (golden)? For that matter, chrono belongs way more to dusk or night than moon. I don’t see Jonboy being dark at all, Dregs & Tatum definitely belong in House Insanity, and Eyre I haven’t figured yet, I’m kind of liking him for Moon. Gelfling I like more for Chaos than dark, and I don’t think you can include absent members (QT, supuradam, Everhate). I like Mike more for a dark house than a light, and LT more for a light house than a dark. Fuschia’s good for dark or insane. ;)

Plus, with six houses, three are dark, two light and one neutral. That doesn’t work, there needs to be either two of each or just five houses (chaos and inanity/insanity for neutral?). Furthermore, if there’s going to be a high ruler, ie, King/Queen, than there should just be one, so if there’ a King, there shouldn’t be a Queen, too.

[Malcor Sylverwood]

I am no king. I live to serve.

-Malcor "Knight" Sylverwood

[Amelia]

Kings do serve, they just dress better.

[AquaFizz]

Psh. All I know is I'm a Priestess and that rocks. (PS-As far as marriages are concerned, I will not hold prejudices. i.e. If anyone wants to marry a rock, I'll do the ceremony ;))

[Buck]

Im really liking the concept behind inter House competitions in the arts.

Can we get our own private forums that only people of that House have access to?! Cause that would be cool. Oh yes.


*plots secret war against House Dusk*

:umm: :ninja: :D

[Waffles]

Lets just have 4 houses ala HP. But call them Morning, Day, Dusk, and Night. Morning is insane, Day is light, Dusk is chaos, Night is dark. Day has the sun and Night has the moon. And Morning has Venus and Dusk has Mars? Wendy would of course be Queen of Morning, and NF Queen of Night. I guess Arch could be King of Dusk and LT King of Day. Mike can be Lord of all? :p Malc can be Lord Knight of Day, enemy of Morning. Maybe Mike can be Lord Knight of Night. Lord Night? Hehe... Anyway... enough rambling!

EDIT: Though a neutral would be good. Mike would be King of Neutral. And I'd prolly be in neutral more than anything...

[Corvus Corax]

*coughs*
the assasin of the house of shadows wears girls pants :p
mwahaha
*flies off*

[Eyreplenh]

*pops two bottles of beer and gives both to Cass*

Nice one man... Awesome! I think that maybe the position and houses might change a bit, or not, but I atleast is for giving the idea some more time/work/something, cause I think the basic idea grooves:) I have no clue whether the competitions, forums and other splendid ideas are possible to actually do, but if it means anything, I'm for it.

[LaughingTurtle]

Sheesh people nobodies nothing yet, that was just his example, no need to skin him…yet ;) Irregardless of who’s who, there’s going to be more members than there are positions, even with a few additional spots created, hence the whole “reward” system vibe I was getting from Cass. If you’re a good member, post good stuff, and/or fall into the right category then you may get the spot, but not necessarily. As with the system that it’s based off of, nothing is permanent so it promotes people to continue to do well, stay active, etc, etc or they may lose their spot. Correct me if I read that wrong Cass.

I do agree about the balance of houses equaling out though but NF I do believe that Cass already mentioned there is only a single ruler of each House even if there is both a king and queen, only one rules:


Six Houses for six admins....with six positions in each House. An admin should be in their respective highest position be it King or Queen of a House each, though say you wish to be in another position like Champion or Weaver then thats fine, but whoever you choose as King or Queen of your respective House, then authority on who joins the House goes to them...highest position in deck rules House...simple no?

And I could be dark if I wanted to…no really, stop laughing :p

As for private subforums for each house I’m torn, on one hand it could add depth to our little game and on the other it could fracture our already sparsely posted in forums. Not to mention the technical aspect of it. A better idea would be to create a new forum for all the Houses to post in with each House getting their own Sticky’ed Main Thread(TM) Mayhaps a subforum of Our Escape or Our War…

[Apoc]

:D totally chuffed at the response hehe thanks peeps. and ~gives a nod~ to LT for outlining key points nicely.

on a wee note just now...definately no private forums for each house...though it would be cool, it'd create more division than i feel is needed.

I don't know if its possible, but the best and closest idea i can think for House private threads would be kinda reflection like...where only members of that house can post in...but they'd be open for all to view...if thats at all possible though.

~shrugs~ i'll hit this again and take everyones suggestions on board more thoroughly later ;)

[Apoc]

So yeah...suggestions and comments thus far....

First...as LT pointed out...THE EXAMPLE WAS AN EXAMPLE, nothing more...those are not where members are positioned.

Second, there are six houses, one per admin, no more, no less.

House names and positions within house, probably will get changed in later stages of development of this idea, but at the moment, i'm happy with them and with so much still to nail down, i'm not gonna linger on name changes yet...suggestions however are always welcomed.

Aspects of Houses i want to work on...what each house stands for, the disposition and traits of its Hold. I'll work a wee bit more on that...instead of just sayin, "for those with a shiny disposition" et al.

As for Houses ummm whats the word...colour? There are two Dark (Night and Dusk), two Light (Sun and Dawn), one neutral (Moon) and one unaligned (Chaos), hope that clears that up.

Suggestions for rules for House entry would be greatly appreciated, i still stand firm in the thought that it should be difficult to get into a House unless the ruling admin feels your absolutely ideal for a position and the member agrees that that position is ideal for them.

Any new ideas, suggestions for anything regarding the Quill Deck of Dragons, new rules, ideas for competitions to use in war or for entry please feel free to put forward and i'll give it great consideration in the creation of this.

I've got free time at the moment to set it up as far as i can before i pass it over to the admins for possible use...but i don't have free time for long, so get your ideas and suggestions in as quick as you can...and make it better!

:) ~hugs all~

[ChronoDmin]

got a question... are the positions permanent or is there going to be a time limit etc etc...

I definitely like the whole house war aspect ... will get the juices flowing & hopefully give some new topics to post about

[LaughingTurtle]

If you’re a good member, post good stuff, and/or fall into the right category then you may get the spot, but not necessarily. As with the system that it’s based off of, nothing is permanent so it promotes people to continue to do well, stay active, etc, etc or they may lose their spot. Correct me if I read that wrong Cass.

Seeing as how Cass agreed with it I'd say so. Can't have lollygaggers sloughing off once they get their place, you gots to keep it through continuous work otherwise it'd be a first come, forever closed spot...not much fun with that.

I would imagine it would be up to the head of the House as to whether one is living up to their roll/duties. Though a more formal system could be devised by Cass to avoid undue favoritism and bias…

We admins are currently tinkering around with the system to see exactly what ideas are feasible and what are micromanaging nightmares.

[Jennifer]

Well as far as differentiating between two similar houses, like sun and dawn, one could be like the "lawful" one and the other could be the chaotic or neutral one, so I guess a bit similar to the classic DnD alignments.

Sun - lawful light
King - Malcor

Dawn - neutral (or chaotic) light
King - Mike

Night - lawful dark
Queen - night faerie

Dusk - neutral (or chaotic) dark
King - sir archely

Moon - neutral
King - LT

Storm - chaos
Queen - dark fuschia


I think the king or queen should be able to choose their own consort (if that consort is willing) and the consort can act in their place if needed, since admins frequently have to deal with that pesky thing called "life." But every other position should definitely be earned, I agree with you on that. The admins have carte blanche on what the positions are in their house and how many there are, so every house may have variations, which would make it much more interesting. For example, nacht could be Supreme Sadist of House Night or some such thing.

Just a few ideas. This is fun, Cass. :)

edit: I know this is Cass's idea and what he decides will probably make the most sense, I don't think this house thing should be TOO structured with lots of rules. Yes the admins should have carte blanche and have fun with this, but I'm sure they would not simply play favorties and give a prime position to someone who hasn't (or wouldn't) earn it.

[Apoc]

good question bro...ummm i'd say the position isn't permanent, a member can step down from a position or be cast from their position by their ruling house member should they betray their house or not perform to the houses needs (this being fighting/participating in battles/competitions)...

ummm another thing i just thought up- a member can't jump houses from an ascended position..if they step down they must wait for their position to be filled again by someone else before being able to move to another House...hows that?

House rulers only get to recruit from the field of those not in a house already...if you want to partake in any of the battles (competitions) between houses...you gotta be in a house.

?

EDIT: heh thanks for the input jenn and lt, i'll take those ideas into consideration...

heh i'm just sorta carrying pushing this cause as i think it was arch that said it...it'll just sit in limbo of just suggestions being tossed about...

so by all means...if thers something you strongly think isn't good...i'm all ears ~nods~ :)

[Buck]

I have a hunch this idea isnt in as much limbo as the admins let on. Just a hunch ;)

[Apoc]

hence why i'm trying to get it together for them as soon as possible heh :)

[night faerie]

I think people not in a house should be able to play, too. Like spies. :) .... er, I mean... :ninja:

[Apoc]

I think the king or queen should be able to choose their own consort (if that consort is willing) and the consort can act in their place if needed, since admins frequently have to deal with that pesky thing called "life." But every other position should definitely be earned, I agree with you on that. The admins have carte blanche on what the positions are in their house and how many there are, so every house may have variations, which would make it much more interesting. For example, nacht could be Supreme Sadist of House Night or some such thing.

heh i like the idea that with the position the person gets a title also. :)

The consort thing- deck is ranked...two high cards in each house, ruling positions of house, if admin unavailable, power defers to next rank.

For sizes of Houses, I strongly think seven at the most for each house...and only after five positions are filled can the other two be made...otherwise there is the possibility of drastically uneven houses...which creates an unfair field of play when it comes to competitions/battles between houses...

and to nf's suggestion, i haven't thought heavily on the battles/competitions yet, i have some ideas...but i just want to get the houses/teams sorted first before that...my ideas thus far though have little participation for non house members though.

[Buck]

Well here is a thought on the competitions aspect.

You can declare formal challenges between two Houses. Once the challenge has been made, the House on the receiving end has the right to change or modify one aspect of the rules of whatever game/war/contest and then it goes under way. Either one or all the remaining Houses are defaulted as judges. The judging House can have an intenal vote to reach a consensus and then proceed to vote as a House. If more than one House votes, majority Houses chose the victor.

This way, even if one House is twice as big as another it all works out.


Also, it would be nice if each House has an official sigil. Even cooler, if that sigil was included somewhere under the avatar, member info. Nothing to big, maybe the size of a smiley or something.


We can even schedule official tournaments among the houses. So much potential..

[Jennifer]

For sizes of Houses, I strongly think seven at the most for each house...and only after five positions are filled can the other two be made...otherwise there is the possibility of drastically uneven houses...which creates an unfair field of play when it comes to competitions/battles between houses...

...my ideas thus far though have little participation for non house members though.

Well, how about this? The houses can have as many members as the admin wants if anyone wants in, but only have 5 to 7 actual "positions." The others can be kind of auxillary players or something, called on for specific tasks or whatnot. That way no one should feel terribly left out. Yay? Nay?

[Apoc]

what like priests, acolytes, mortal swords etc to the Houses, jenn? they're not ascendants into the houses...but they're sworn to them kinda deal? They can't fight in the battles, but they can enter the group?

and buck...the battles/competitions idea is very close to what i was thinking :) ...but i'm just focusing first on getting the houses/teams sorted first...then we can discuss the competitions.

I love the idea about the Sigils for the Houses...thats cool. I think, as its a sub-group, each house will have its own thread...if my understanding of subgroups is correct. The sigil could be used as the threads icon thing instead of a smilie, which would be cool.

I don't know yet how the houses will fit into the layout of the quill, i have a few ideas i'm gonna run past admins later...but first things first...how to make the Houses as groups. Are they threads that simply require membership and thus, once granted, you are in the group? If so, where will the threads be posted?

ak...~gets crumpled under a pile of notknowingstuff~

[Jennifer]

what like priests, acolytes, mortal swords etc to the Houses, jenn? they're not ascendants into the houses...but they're sworn to them kinda deal? They can't fight in the battles, but they can enter the group?

Yes. :) Like squires or something that sounds cooler than squire. Although I'd say they could be ascendents, because if one of the house leaders decides a titled person isn't holding up their job well, the "squire" can take the position. But not as a usurper. For example, if Fizz is the priestess of House Sun and she gets busy with school or work and just doesn't have the time, she could discuss with her leader which squire could possible take her spot and then offer up the job. ~shrugs~ Just a thought. :)


ak...~gets crumpled under a pile of notknowingstuff~ Awww....~gives Cass a cig and a coke~ ;)

[Amelia]

Its sounds cool and exciting but what would these competions be? Is it like the war room where its all written out?

[Apoc]

its a secret ;)

nah ~shrugs~ truth is...i have only vague ideas of what the competitions will be and how the Houses will compete...i'm kinda thinking the competitions could be anything...as long as they're competetive...could have an avy war, 100 word story comp, a story comp of anykind, quizzes about the quill or about famous tv, film, books anything!

Lay down a challenge...and the Houses will have points or something...if a houses representative entrant loses they lose points for the House, if they win, they gain points....something like that...i don't know yet...haven't got that far heh

whats the dealio admins...when i've got what? when shall i pass it over to you?

[Alexia]

This all looks amazing and incredible and totally over my head. :)


And why am I giving you $401 000, Buck?

[Waffles]

I love Jen's idea of lawful/chaotic Dark/Neutral/Light!

The only problem is choosing which house you'd want to be in... cos there are like 4 I'd want to be in... Though I'm kinda liking Lawful Dark...

[Amelia]

It would be up to the admins, poodle. So the question is, who will want you? :D

[Waffles]

It would be up to the admins, poodle. So the question is, who will want you? :D
Of course, but you can give some indication as to where you'd want to be. I mean, I'd turn down any offers of Chaotic Dark... I'm no evil! :halo: :broken:

[Buck]

We can also go a slightly different path. Since this is a generic literature fansite we can incorporate other books into this, making it a bit slightly different than Malazan Deck of Dragons. Say, using GRRM a lil bit:

House of Flowers
House of the Dorn
House of the Lion
House of the Wolf
House of the Dragon
The Wall (neutral)

Just a thought. If not something like this I would prefer the House names Cass outlined to the ones for each DnD alignment. More poetic names, you know?



Lexi, in Cass's example of House layout, you would be my Queen so I would under your service - wage and all. A 401K is a retirement plan that most work places offer their employees in the US. :p

[Alexia]

Oh wow, okay, well when I find that $401k I left in my jeans pocket the other day, I promise it's all yours. Including the tissue lint from the same pocket.

[Apoc]

i was thinking asoiaf for your sigil idea buck.

Like Targaryens are dragons, Lannisters Lions, starks wolves etc...

each House could have a creature representation...heh and a motto :broken: i'm not certain...i'll get it all together soon and present it as best I can in a single post.

i'm still not entirely sure how the subgroups thing works...whats needed, what could be done that i haven't thought of, what can't be done etc etc...

[Apoc]

ummm so yeah...whilst scribbling down some things for nailing down aspects for the Houses i found i was constantly referring to greek mythology and to put it simply, i just put a greek (lower) god as a patron to each house...i liked it but wondered what you lot thought about the idea.

examples:
High House Sun
Sun is the House of Light.
Patron God- Apollo

High House Dusk
Dusk is the House of Death.
Patron God- Persephone

just an idea that removes a load of explanation of each Houses aspects/principles etc...any thoughts?

[Jennifer]

Hey, that's a good idea. I was thinking about the alignment thing, and I don't really care for the idea of the whole lawful, neutral, chaotic thing as much as I did, because so many of us here are so many of those things at different times. If we're going to have more "natural" houses, how about a house for the earth or nature?

[Apoc]

So...this is kinda what i've got so far....
The Quill Pantheon:

High House Night
Night is the House of darkness. Hold of Dragons.
King, Queen, Knight, Magi, Weaver, Herald.
Sigil-
Motto-
Principles/Aspects-War, Wickedness and Ice.
Patron Gods-Ares, Hermes
Allied with Dusk and Moon.
Rival to Sun.
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High House Moon
Moon is the House of Shadow. Hold of Wolves.
King, Queen, Assassin, Knight, Magi, Herald
Sigils-
Motto-
Principles/Aspects-Peace, Wisdom and Water.
Patron Gods-Athena, Artemis
Medium between Sun and Night. Allied with Night and Dusk.
Rival to Chaos.
-
High House Sun
Sun is the House of Light. Hold of the Phoenix.
King, Queen, Champion, Priestess, Maiden, Herald
Sigil-
Motto-
Principles/Aspects-Peace, Freedom and Fire.
Patron Gods- Apollo, Helios
Allied with Dawn and Chaos.
Rival to Night.


-


High House Dusk
Dusk is the House of Death. Hold of Demons.
King, Queen, Knight, Soldier, Weaver, Herald
Sigil-
Motto-
Principles/Aspects- War, Honour and Blood.
Patron Gods- Hades, Persephone
Allied with Night and Moon.
Rival to Dawn.
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High House Chaos
Chaos is the House of Disruption. Hold of the Serpent.
King, Consort, Knight, Magi, Philosopher, Fool
Sigil-
Motto-
Principles/Aspects- Anarchy, Insanity and Storms.
Patron Gods- Dionysus, Hephaestus
Medium between Dusk and Dawn. Allied with Sun and Dawn.
Rival to Moon.
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High House Dawn
Dawn is the House of Life. Hold of the Lion.
King, Queen, Maiden, Champion, Weaver, Herald
Sigil-
Motto-
Principles/Aspects-Justice, Loyalty and Earth.
Patron Gods- Aphrodite, Demeter
Allied with Sun and Chaos.
Rival to Dusk.


The deal with allies, rivals etc- i was thinking that if you did a competition against a rival, the points would be doubled and against an ally you'd only be fighting for a point.

I loved the idea of personalizing the names of the positions when they're taken...but thats not for me to do...and the motto's/sigils...not for me to do either...so ummm yeah...hows that? :)

[night faerie]

ummm... there's definately not enough psilliness in those catagories, Apoc. This is the Quill, you know.
Maybe we should have like, House Chat, House Poetry, House Music, House Rambling & House Mainpage. :) :rolleyes:

[Apoc]

~shrugs~ i took it into consideration...motto's and stuff are all up in the air as are position titles...those who wish to be psilly may...:rolleyes: if they wish...personalize their names when in a House position...for example Quirk could be the Insolent Knight of High House Chaos...or Lexi could be the Shiny Queen of High House Sun...Amelia the Bubble Maiden of High House Dawn....meh i don't do psilly very well, but there is plenty of oppertunity for psillyness...

i know the quill can be very very psilly alot of the time...and this likely will fall in a pit of psillyness alot, but at its basement level i think this Houses thing should be relatively plain and leave the colour for the house members to do when they fill a position.

I've taken pains to make it cover certain spectrums...Life-Death, Light-Dark, Good-Evil, Shadow-Light, Insanity-Wisdom. Reflecting their members disposition.

Any member could take a position in all your house suggestions thus making there being part of a group void...i'm certain psillyness is going to ensue...likely most from the chaos (insanity) camp...but definately all over the place when challenges are made and competitions are fought.

[night faerie]

but isnt it supposed to be set up so that people can come and go within the houses, where you dont get a position for life? If so, then everyone SHOULD be able to fit in every house. No? I dont know the more I read about this concept, the more complicated & confusing it becomes and I'm somehow still missing the point, kind of. :umm:

[Apoc]

but isnt it supposed to be set up so that people can come and go within the houses, where you dont get a position for life?

I was hoping i wasn't being vague anywhere but ~sighs~

Tis ok faery...it shall all become clear in time. (check your pm box) at least i hope that is clearer...

I'll say this again...all positions are not for life, you can leave them (though i doubt you will want to) or you can be removed from them by the ruler of your house should they think your not doing enough for the house or something...its at their discretion...but and i'll underline and bold this...positions in Houses will not be easily attained.

You'll all find out why soon enough...patience...when myself and the admins sorting this are ready it shall all be revealed and made really REALLY clear :)

It'll likely even get its own thread cause it won't be suggestions no more...it'll be reality :broken:

But members...be sure of the position your offered, hold back should you think another position in another house is more ideal for you thats not yet filled and try and convnce the ruler your the one for that spot, cause in all likleyhood you'll want to hold your position...or at least stay in that House. Well I hope so anyway.

Quite a few members i think will get positions quite quickly...but only cause they're right for certain positions...i hope they won't want to step down from them cause hopefully it'll be a difficult thing to achieve, re-entry to the houses.

keep the suggestions coming but please no total upheavals...i'm doing this in time away from writing scripts and stuff...

Anyway...must fly...~flies off~

[Buck]

Cass, nice write up. It is obvious you put much thought into this and it makes my nitpick all the more guilt ridden. Some of your patron gods are ill placed, imo. Like I said awesome write up... but (i hate condition praise *flinches*).


House of Night:
Principles/Aspects - War, Wickedness and Ice

Ares is a definite keeper, Hermes however doesnt fit at all. There is nothing dark about Hermes. He helped mortals, and acted as a representative and messenger. He was known as the Helper. He gave many things to mortals and from shepherds to athletes held him in high regard for his deeds.

Options:
Erebus - god of darkness.
He is not an olympian god, he is a primordial god (force of nature) - still greek.
Some myths depict him as an ice demon of the far reaches. This seems fitting with the aspects. Erebus is a terror of the worst kind. He is known as the void between this world and the next. Cold, dark and lifeless.

Erebus and Ares together seem to define the House well.




High House Moon
Principles/Aspects-Peace, Wisdom and Water.
Patron Gods-Athena, Artemis

Athena was definitely a goddess of wisdom but she was also a warrior. Her wisdom shined in battle tactics and war. She was the goddess of war.

Artemis was the goddess of the hunt, wilderness, wildlife and the beast. She was in a way the feral god, her favored totem animal was the bear. The moon is associated with her, but it wasnt her sigil. In lots of the myths Gods are paired and in this case Artemis was paired with the Goddess of the Moon- Selene. Selene is the serene goddess of the night, not Artemis. Selene would fit this House perfectly.

Hestia was one of the peaceful gods. She was sister to Hera, Zeus, Poseidon etc.. so she wasnt a minor/demi at all. She is attributed with civility and life. Only problem with her being here is she is associated with the hearth(fire) for its warmth. In ancient greece, water was not the peaceful element of nature at all, it was violent and untaimed and was a force to respect/fear. So, Hestia is probably the best fit here.





High House Sun
Principles/Aspects-Peace, Freedom and Fire.
Patron Gods- Apollo, Helios


Apollo is a definite keeper as is Helios. Especially since Helios is the the sun god and brother to Selene, the moon goddess.





High House Dusk
Dusk is the House of Death. Hold of Demons.
Principles/Aspects- War, Honour and Blood.
Patron Gods- Hades, Persephone

Hades is a no brainer.

Persephone, she was more victim than anything. When she was taken to the underwolrd by hades, it was persephone's mother, Demeter, who cast famine on the world due to grief. Persephone, later on became quite bitter and distant emotionally as a result of the 'bargain' struck but like I said in all this she was a victim more than anything. Probably the greatest of all the tragedies, imo.

Id go with Eris. Sister to Ares, she is much darker and more bitter. She contains endless rage and despises peace. She is a trouble maker and in some ways makes Ares seem like a mild pacifist. She started the Trojan War.

Between Hades and Eris you got the whole death and strife/war thing covered very well.









High House Chaos
Chaos is the House of Disruption. Hold of the Serpent.
Patron Gods- Dionysus, Hephaestus

Dionysis was the hippy god, unorthodox and a drunk. He liked to cause disruptions of the pleasant kind. heh

Hephaestus was a laborer. He was the smith and a criple. Nothing really chaotic about him.

Id go with Ate instead. Ate is the daughter of Eris. She is just as sneaky and mischievous but in a much much much more psilly way. It is said that Ate has possesed you when you do the silliest of things. She causes havoc by literally running around and causing people to do weird shit. These actions tend to have significant effect in the long run but at the time these actions make no sense at all. Hence, there is a method to her madness. She is a big time trouble maker, even among the gods.

Dionysis and Ate togerther as patron gods scare me. :umm:





High House Dawn
Dawn is the House of Life. Hold of the Lion.
Principles/Aspects-Justice, Loyalty and Earth.
Patron Gods- Aphrodite, Demeter

Demeter is the goddess of the earth. Sure.


Aphrodite represents love, beauty and sexuality. Doesnt fit.

Themis is a perfect fit. She is the titan of justice and you see her a lot outside courtrooms. The lady with the blindfold and the scales, yea that is her. She is attributed sometimes with Demeter, so this probably works best. Together they represent Loyalty, Justice and the Earth. So yea.






Ok, that was it. Again, I dont want to meddle too much but Id rather make these suggestions now than cringe every time I see the patron gods misplaced in the final version of this cool thing you are making.

Cheers.

[night faerie]

ok I really think we should lose all these details for now. Has it even been decided yet if we're going with the phases of the day/night? (sun,moon,day,dusk, etc)

[AquaFizz]

Really...my head hurts. I'm starting to regret being so excited.

Also, can't we all be assigned a house in the beginning (lets the admins duke it out for who they want/who fits best where)...then if we want to switch, we have to do the work and impress the admin/king/queen of whatever house we want into? Because I feel like if I'm not assigned a place, I probably won't go about trying to suck up and get into a house...I'll just be a rebel. And, as fun as that is, I dont want to be unincluded in competitions and stuff.

I'm fine with the god/goddess stuff...it always makes things more interesting when you put in factors like that. Ummm...that is all.

[Jennifer]

I like what you've done, Cass. It's okay for the premise of the house to be "serious," because just like Cass said, I'm sure things will dissolve into silliness. And I'm liking the sound of that moon house, what with the water and peace and stuff. Are the admins deciding amongst themselves who gets what house?

[LaughingTurtle]

You all get nothing, we're keeping it all to ourselves :p


(We haven't figured out anything yet sheesh, let alone if we're going to let Cass live er continue... so just wait and see)

[Apoc]

yeah heh ~dies but has enough strength to write "LT did it" in the dirt~ hehe

~giggles~

i love those god changes buck...much better, i was kinda trying to keep the big gun gods out but still keep it with the twelve olympians ya know? But yeah much better :thup:

[Amos]

Philosopher - james
Fool - Lyle
The two of us were in a house together once already, and I don't fancy reliving the experience, even in houses which never need cleaning. Like there's any difference between a fool and a philosopher anyway ;)



Id go with Eris. She started the Trojan War.
Only because of The Original Snub. Now we must partake of no hot dog buns :(

I would have thought Nyx (http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/europe/greek/articles.html) was an obvious choice for H.H. Night, and Selene (http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/europe/greek/articles.html) for H.H. Moon.


My suggestion is that there should be a seventh house. Six is an unnatural number. Partly for the sake of keeping house numbers up, membership in this house would not negate membership in another house (bar the leader).

I know we only have six admins, but hey, there's always... me. I don't really feel like I fit into any category, so house of the unknown or unnamed or something would be perfect. But if the answer is a big fat no, then I guess shall strive to conform.

[Apoc]

hmmm a 7th House?

whats does everyone think?

i think its going to be hard enough to fill the 6 houses already and a 7th would break the even balance of the pantheon as i've set it. But thats just my thoughts. Then again, some people play with Joker cards in a deck sometimes...as wild cards...so meh ~shrugs~

[Buck]

I would have thought Nyx (http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/europe/greek/articles.html) was an obvious choice for H.H. Night, and Selene (http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/europe/greek/articles.html) for H.H. Moon.


Nyx isnt really evil in anyway, and isnt really known for anything except representing night time, nothing more. Her brother Erebus is much much better of an option. He is the pan-ultimate of darkness and cold.

And I did recommend Selene. Read it again :p



A seventh House is a good idea, it leaves room for expansion and eases up on number contraints on the other houses, considering how many active members we have.

So far we have:

Dusk, Dawn, Night, Sun, Moon, and Chaos.

We dont really have a neutral house yet. How about a High House Impartial?
~shrugs~ I have no clue.


Oh and lol at the Original Snub. :rolleyes:

[Waffles]

hmmm a 7th House?

whats does everyone think?

i think its going to be hard enough to fill the 6 houses already and a 7th would break the even balance of the pantheon as i've set it. But thats just my thoughts. Then again, some people play with Joker cards in a deck sometimes...as wild cards...so meh ~shrugs~
Well if you think of circles... you can have 7 circles with one in the middle, and the other 6 surrounding it. The middle one can be neutral, while the 6 around it are the 6 phases of day/night. Makes a very symmetrical design.

[Apoc]

So basically what is wanted is an unaligned house?

I kinda thought Chaos was a relatively unaligned House `shrugs~ auch well.

and james what do you mean you see no place for you in the Houses...i could see you as Assassin or Magi of H. H Moon or Philosopher of H.H Chaos or even Herald of HH Dawn ~shrugs~ to name but a few.

So yeah...i'll give it some more thought and try and come up with something that'll hopefully appease everyone and still stick it being a deck of dragons.

[night faerie]

how about rethinking the whole thing for those of us who dont know what the deck of dragons is? Is this just a whole thing from those Malazan books you're always pushing?

As for the Houses in Question, I still dont see how it's even. You've got
Sun - Moon
Dawn - Dusk
Night
Chaos

There's no foil for Night or Chaos. And if Chaos is neutral then you've got more dark houses than light and that's not fair. So either you've got to trade Night for another Neutral house or you've got to change Chaos to Day.

<edit> figure this discussion deserved it's own thread by now. ;)

[Apoc]

~hugs nf~ thankee...

i'd paired them differently...

Sun-Night (Light/Dark)
Dusk-Dawn (Life/Death)
Moon-Chaos (Order/Chaos)

the names may need work...i like Dusk and Dawn...i liked Night but Day didn't sound good...and i wasn't wanting to copy the deck by going Light and Dark, Shadow and Chains...had to think of different names. Esentially whats in the brackets above is what the names should reflect for it to be like the deck of dragons...and cover the spectrums i wanted to cover.

As for a 7th House...hows this for a suggestion...

Unaligned
Wild Cards.
Master of the Deck
Lord of the Sky
Queen of Dreams
Jesters of Chance (2)
Mistress of Pestilence and Disease
Lady of Health


they're wildcards but can align themselves to a House should they wish to, giving a House more positions.

I don't know about a Master of the Deck card though...thats a huge responsability.

just a suggestion.

[night faerie]

i'd paired them differently...

Sun-Night (Light/Dark)
Dusk-Dawn (Life/Death)
Moon-Chaos (Order/Chaos)

AAAAAH! ok I totally didnt understand that. In that case, there's no way you can put me in charge of Moon, please please please dont make me be in charge of order. Order's like... work.

Maybe this is part of what bugs me about this deliniation. I keep thinking each House should somewhat reflect the admin in charge and I just dont think we admins oppose so much. For me, I'd much more think of myself as Dark/Chaotic but not evil dark, mystery dark. There doesnt seem to be anything close to that here.

Come to think of it I dont think any of the admins can be described as "orderly". Maybe change Order/Chaos to Insanity/Inanity? Fuschia / Arch could easily fill those easily. Course that still leaves me... :rolleyes:

[Apoc]

ok, i get that. Heres a template with all the changes made as best I can...also new is more influence from other books which i've been trying to incorporate...asoiaf will surely be inspiration for the mottos and sigils and stuff...but heres what i've got so far...as a suggestion for this...

Quill Deck of Dragons.
High House Night
Night is the House of darkness. Hold of Dragons. Patron Gods-Ares, Erebus.
King -
Queen -
Knight -
Aes Sedai/Asha’man -
Weaver -
Herald -
-
High House Sun
Sun is the House of Light. Hold of the Phoenix. Patron God- Apollo, Helios.
King -
Amrylin -
Champion -
Priestess -
Aes Sedai/Asha’man -
Herald -
-
High House Dusk
Dusk is the House of Death. Hold of Hounds (Cerberus). Patron Gods- Hades, Eris.
King -
Queen -
Knight -
Soldier -
Weaver -
Herald -
-
High House Dawn
Dawn is the House of Life. Hold of the Lion. Patron Gods- Demeter, Themis.
King -
Queen -
Aes Sedai/Asha’man -
Sword of Truth -
Weaver -
Herald -
-
High House Moon
Moon is the House of Shadow and Sanity. Hold of Wolves. Patron Gods-Selene, Artemis.
King -
Queen -
Assassin -
Knight -
Aes Sedai/Asha’man -
Herald -
-
High House Chaos
Chaos is the House of Storms and Madness. Hold of the Centaur. Patron Gods- Dionysus, Ate.
Lord -
Consort -
Knight -
Aes Sedai/Asha’man -
Philosopher -
Fool -
-
Unaligned
Wild Cards.
Dragon Reborn -
Mother Confessor -
Queen of Dreams -
Lord of the Sky -
Jesters of Chance (2)-
The Forsaken -
Mistress of Pestilence and Disease -
Lady of Health -



Hows that?

Changed all Magi to Aes Sedai/Asha'man positions and champion of HH Dawn is the Sword of Truth now...oh and Queen is changed to Amrylin in HH Sun.

[Apoc]

Drafting into Houses
So i seem to have created some confusion over how members get into houses...now bare in mind these are just suggestions to how i think it should be, its not neccisarily how it will be...

Now, first off, i think it should be a difficult thing to get into a House, i don’t like the thought of people just taking positions because they want them. It should be a rewarding privelage to get into a House.

Basically, ascending into a House is a privelage only given by the ruler of that House. If you really want a position and its not been given to you by the House ruler, you’ll likely have to convince them your right for the position by writing a little story or something of why you are that position or something.

You may not have to do any more work than accepting a position thats offered to you...for a ruler may believe your right for a position without needing convincing.

I was thinking someone will need to take a Master of the Deck position to start it all off when its set up and ready to go...this position will take the responsability of placing the admins in the Houses...i was thinking they (the admins) could request three options of positioning in the Houses and the Deck Master would place them evenly, one to each House, by their requests.

As far as I see it, if your not willing, at the most, to write a short convincing case for you to take a position if you’ve not been offered one and think you deserve it, then you won’t get into a House.

For if you won’t even do that, how will the House ever rely on you to participate in its battles and be part of the group?

This is my suggestion on the drafting of members into Houses. Its not for no one to decide where they’ll be...its about choice, a member can reject offers should they think they’re right for another position more and its never by their hand that they get a position.

I hope that made clearer my idea, if you don’t like it...suggest something else and it’ll be taken into consideration, i am merely trying to move this aloung with taking on board suggestions and cementing things down and filling in the gaps myself.

-cass

[LaughingTurtle]

Another reason for the relative difficulty in gaining a house position besides the possibility of house jumping, that is still being debated is about whether or not to grant certain privileges to those who are in one.

So you may end up getting that extra PM space you wanted or a nifty super duper long custom title or whatever. But the whole ideas is the extra effort you put forth into enriching the community should pay some dividends… or retirement benefits…at the very least a decent dental plan.

[ChronoDmin]

ooohhh a dental plan... great!... my fangs have been killing me..:devil:

on a more serious note: Cass love, love how the houses worked out... my only suggestion is that writing not be the only medium used... not all here are as prolific writers as say James,NightFaerie, or gasp! even Lyle ~nudge nudge hint hint~

mix it up a little... it will force those of us who aren't so great at the particular medium to roll up our sleeves and get to it :thup:

[Buck]

I want my 401K damnit.

Aside from writing, I was under the impression that photo comps and artwork was also part of it.

Im a litte bit thrown off by exactly how non-admins get into the Houses. Do I need to scale some proverbial mountain, lick some admin boot (not gonna happen) or win some competition? Im not sure I get this part.

[LaughingTurtle]

Well beyond the initial musings on the "games" no other ideas have been set forth, so anyone feel free to offer up ideas on what "games" to "play" between the "houses" "." "" ""

Photos, short story, poetry, finger paintings. Hell you could even do Quill House poker matches or pool or chess matches over sites like yahoo. Just no rock, paper, sissors or dregs will always win (except against me, paper mache rock :quirk: )

[Apoc]

Im a litte bit thrown off by exactly how non-admins get into the Houses. Do I need to scale some proverbial mountain, lick some admin boot (not gonna happen) or win some competition? Im not sure I get this part.

If your not drafted by an admin that thinks your ideal for a position...or you are, but you think your better suited for another position, you can refuse the offer...then you can go after the one you want (if its not been offered yet) by requesting it (you gotta do this anyway to join a group), if the ruler needs convincing you should just explain why your right for that position, if they're unconvinced then they're unconvinced and you'll likely not get it, but i think if you genuinely feel good for that position, you'll get it.

Its not about ass kissing, its about being right for a position.


Well beyond the initial musings on the "games" no other ideas have been set forth, so anyone feel free to offer up ideas on what "games" to "play" between the "houses"

i've got a fair few, but trying to pin down the houses and house rules first (draft etc), i suggest we leave game suggestions til later...especially as i've just added a set of wild cards to the mix and only have purpose for a few of them (roles in battles) should they wish to participate.

The simplest way to describe my idea of this is as a deck of cards, instead of four houses (clubs,spades,diamonds,hearts) with 13 positions (Ace-King) and two wild cards (jokers), 54 cards...we've got 6 houses (sun,dark,dusk,dawn,moon,chaos) with 6 positions (Herald-King) and 9 wild cards, 45 cards :broken:

heh simple :umm: ~giggles~

maybe when its all done one of the comps will be to design House Cards and put together a deck. :)

[Amos]

Unaligned
Wild Cards.
Dragon Reborn -
Mother Confessor -
Queen of Dreams -
Lord of the Sky -
Jesters of Chance (2)-
The Forsaken -
Mistress of Pestilence and Disease -
Lady of Health -


Hows that?
I dunno. WoT... How's this?

Unaligned (La maison de Mercure)
Wild Cards
le Bateleur (the Magician) -
la Papesse (the High Priestess) -
le Pape (the Heirophant) -
L'amoureux (the Lovers) (2) -
l'Etranger (the Outsider) -
la Maison-Dieu (the Tower) -
le Mât (the Fool) -

[Apoc]

heh, nice one.

sooo ummm yeah...i'm casting down my card for now...

[Apoc]

So after discussions in chat, heres a revised template. New rules, more simplistic due to some dissatisfaction and confusion. I’ve tried to solve all the problems with it that arose in chat...

The idea for six houses for six admins i've scrapped now, no one should be pulled into something they don’t want to do. So there need not be an admin to each House, though i think it’d be good if there was.

HOUSES
This new suggestion is five houses, Sun-Moon, Dusk-Dawn and Chaos, still holding six positions but in a much more refined order.
Example:
House of Spades
King - Throne male card
Queen- Throne female card
Jack - Warrior card
Ace - Magic card
Ten - Occupation card
Joker - Herald card

Each card has a trick and a different value.

HOUSE RULES
entry to houses
Simple: Each House has at least two patron gods. If they are gods you wish to win battles (competitions) for, then try and join their group.
If the group has a ruler, it is by their decision/discretion if you may pass into the group and take a position. You should be of a similar disposition to the House and position your trying to get, this will likely be the only judginng if your requesting to get into a House;

“are you right for the House and right for the position?”.

Example: Alexia would be a shiny star in alot of positions in either Sun or Dawn, she’d be really unsuited for a role in Dusk though and probably not that great for Moon (with its dark disposition and all heh).
Chaos is relatively open to everyone cause quite simply every quiller is insane. There are plenty of positions but should a House fill, more positions will open up.

If you enter an empty House (a house with no members or positions filled) you are house ruler until you give someone a higher positioned card than you;

Example: If buck entered House Dawn and it was empty, but he took the Sword of Truth position, then he’d be ruler til he granted entry or gave someone a card higher than his card (Queen and King in this case).

COMPETITIONS
Each House has a starting total of 100 points. Each card in a House has a points value and a trick depending on position.
Each month there will be one big House war, winning House accumulates points upon victory in this war of the total of all its cards entered value. Losing Houses lose points to the value of the single winning card.

Competitions can be anything- a story competition, 100 words, an avatar war, an art competition, a poetry comp, a haiku comp, general knowledge comp- anything, as long as its a competition of some kind.

Smaller competitions called duels can be played also for small amounts of points (5) between two members from rival houses, these can be in anything also, one must simply challenge another to a duel, “~slaps buck~ i challenge thee to a duel”, “~slaps cass back~ I accept!”

REWARDS
House pride and a card and title of your own. ~grins~

OTHER
Maybe a front page feature could be a post with the ranking board of the Houses scores; Battles Won, Battles Lost, Duels Won, Duels Lost- total points and the positions in the Houses and who has what position.

So this is kinda the template encompassing all the changes highlighted thus far that i felt needed to be made for it to work and continue its progress, suggestions would still be greatly appreciated but please bare in mind...i can't do everything thats requested and i have to stand my ground on things that i've set up and if changed will make a mess and alot of work and revision to be made...so yeah keep ideas coming and i'll try and encompass them into it...thanks ;)

High House Sun (Light)
Sun is the House of Day, Light and Good. Hold of Eagles and the Phoenix. Patron Gods- Apollo, Helios.
King -
Amrylin -
Champion -
Aes Sedai/Asha’man -
Priestess -
Herald -
-
High House Moon (Dark)
Moon is the House of Night, Darkness and Shadows. Hold of Wolves and Dragons. Patron Gods-Selene, Artemis, Ares.
King -
Queen -
Knight -
Aes Sedai/Asha’man -
Assassin -
Herald -
-
High House Dusk (Death)
Dusk is the House of Death. Hold of Hounds (Cerberus). Patron Gods- Hades, Eris.
King -
Queen -
Knight -
Magi -
Soldier -
Herald -
-
High House Dawn (Life)
Dawn is the House of Life. Hold of the Lion. Patron Gods- Demeter, Themis.
King -
Queen -
Sword of Truth -
Aes Sedai/Asha’man -
Seamstress -
Herald -
-
High House Chaos (Insane)
Chaos is the House of Storms and Madness. Hold of the Centaur. Patron Gods- Dionysus, Ate.
Lord -
Consort -
Knight -
Aes Sedai/Asha’man -
Philosopher -
Fool -

[Apoc]

HOUSE RULES
entry to houses


alternitavely...we could give someone this card heh :)

[Eyreplenh]

Again...Nice job!!

*Is excited. Claps hands. Pees on the floor. Flees*

[AquaFizz]

Uh!! We get pretty cards with our names on them? Are they real cards from somewhere or did you make those? Furthermore, is it a cco-hinkie-dink that your avie matched a real card or did you put your avie on a made up card? ..i most certainly wouldn't want straws on a card. ..I need to change my avie anyway. I want those birds back.

~mops up the pee, rolls up a newspaper and chases the bad dog~

[Apoc]

i did those mysel...made off a template of a tarot card, just took the layout and the wee squiggels...i'm just mucking about with card designs...when i'm happy with a design i'll make a card for each position in the deck, its dead simple and doesn't take anytime at all, then when someone moves into a position, i'll give them a card...all personalised and stuff...a sorta welcome to the pantheon gift :)

[Amelia]

damn Cass, you put a ton of work into this! Im impressed.

**toussel Cass' hair**

[Apoc]

just want it good, thats all :) it takes me longa to write a single scene than it does to do all dis hehe so thankee, just wanna make it as good as i can whilst its in my hands and i got time ;)

[ChronoDmin]

Got bored, made a card...enjoy:D

[Amelia]

oooooooooh thats cool!

[Vivacia]

um. I'm having a problem here. I see a box that says attached thumbnails, but I'm actually unable to SEE any thumbnails. Is something turned off for me?

Help me Admini Quill Kenobi! You're my only hope.

[Corvus Corax]

With all this talk about Houses I, as an appartment dweller, feel a bit discriminated against. ;) :p

But seriously, it looks like a great idea :) . Maybe best to start out simple and build from there? Just my thought

[Buck]

Haha chrono, very nice.

I made my own as well. :ninja:

[Waffles]

I made one too... :quirk:

[Apoc]

well i made four :p

[Vivacia]

And I can't see any of them!!! :ninja: :kill: :confused:

[Amelia]

Those are all awesome!! If i get a position I will prolly beg you all for ideas!

[Buck]

If I have time tomorrow night, Ill make you one. :D

[Waffles]

I made one first! :p

[Apoc]

I pray thee quillers, calm down...template designs for cards are most welcome and will help influence the design we settle for...but please refrain from claiming cards as yours just now...the deal is you'll get a card when you get in a house...not before...the plan is to have a deck...so when you are in a house you'll have a card thats yours...don't worry, you'll get a say what goes on the card in ways of image, just don't mark a position as yours yet ok. :)

I've gotten a bit waylaid with work and am typing and doing things quite slowly after being stabbed...but yeah...hopefully we can get these houses down quite soon and underway.

So uh yeah, something thats come up is the requirement of patron gods to the houses from greek mythology...i put them there to symbolize what the houses stand for rather than a deep long explanation to the houses disposition...i thought it was easier and more simple to do it like that...a suggestion is to have different gods there if its to stand...this meaning not strictly greek gods...meaning the likes of Loki etc could be patrons to the houses...i don't know cause i'm not as well versed in other myths as i am in greek ones.

So to sum up, more card templates are welcome, just don't claim them as peoples yet or your own (i know i did to start with but that was just an example).

and

Greek patron gods to the Houses? Should we mix them with other mythologies? Or should we exclude them and have explanations to the Houses dispositions instead rather than have patron gods?

[Jennifer]

I understood what you were trying to do by putting the gods there... Maybe you could sum it down to a few words that each god stood for. Like Aphrodite stood for lust and female sexuality; Helios stood for omniscience.

But once someone gets into a house, I don't see why they couldn't adopt a deity of Roman, Norse, Maori, whatever lineage if they decide they idenitify with them better. As long as it somewhat fits in the house. For example, in High House Dusk, Eris is one of the goddesses and she was all about trouble-making and discord. So perhaps someone in that house would rather have Loki, which stood for pretty much the same thing.

[jabbernaut]

~opens his own House of Pancakes~

[Jennifer]

heh...I'm surprised no one has mentioned the WaffleHouse yet... :dozey:

[Waffles]

heh...I'm surprised no one has mentioned the WaffleHouse yet... :dozey:
Oooh... can we have a House of Waffles? :D

[jabbernaut]

~sigh~ ... my House of Pancakes ... your House of Waffles ...

Must we always be in competition? :dozey:

[Buck]

*steps over a kneeling Jabb yelling out the word "KHAAAAAANN!!!"*

I declare this thread property of House Buck.

~plants a flag~

[LaughingTurtle]

People, this is still a semi-serious thread with concepts confusing enough for some people without all of your witty repartee.

If you must continue, continue it elsewhere :)

[Buck]

Silence heathen. Blaspheme towards my thread is not tolerated. Now go, you are banished from House Buck. (in best Dr Orpheus voice)

Seriously, shoo.

*makes shooing geastures at LT*

[sir archely]

here's my question though...

assuming we all don't know the malazan series... the deck of dragons is basically the who's who of the powers that be. the ascendants are gods. so why would the group of gods need a patron god? and i understand that they are supposed to give it the proper character or representation of character, but isn't that what the members would give it?

[Vivacia]

and now for a slight interuption of Arch's fine question. Could someone please PM or email me the attachments for the card pics. I simply am unable to see any of them here. Thanks.

And now back to our original progrmming. Back to you Sir Archly...

[Apoc]

here's my question though...

psst we could call em Elder Gods :ninja:

but yeah i see your tizzy and i raise you two...if not patron gods to define the Houses...umm...ambiance...disposition, whatever feel kinda deal, that hopefully its members will also be of like to...then what?

A definition of those gods just without the names? ~shrugs~

10 posts back i highlighted this pickle and asked advice...

I request now anyone who wishes to put some more input, suggestions, pickles with anything thats been suggested thus far, to make their voice heard...cause otherwise this thread is done and hopefully myself and d'admin builders of the thing will progress forward with what we've got and continue to make it, to present to you lot when ready.

[night faerie]

but yeah i see your tizzy and i raise you two...if not patron gods to define the Houses...umm...ambiance...disposition, whatever feel kinda deal, that hopefully its members will also be of like to...then what?[/B]
at the risk of unearthing the obvious, might I suggest... words? Maybe adjectives?

If the Gods exist only for the purpose of symbolizing certain qualities, and it's possible not everyone is familiar with these qualities, why not just outline the disposition directly? Like if purple symbolizes royalty (which it does, altho maybe not to everyone), why not just say ROYALTY?
... n "helpful dwarf" f
:quirk:

[Malcor Sylverwood]

Strange...you would be one of the last people I would expect to be arguing for the use of simple language instead of symbolism, nf. ~shrugs~

I personally like the greek pantheon and think it can fit well. It might actually be my favorite bit so far ;)

-Malcor "Zeus" Sylverwood

[Apoc]

how bout some nouns also...and the odd verb here and there...aye?


A definition of those gods just without the names? ~shrugs~

:p with so many getting confused with too many words being said, i thought it best to simplify it...i thought that was the best way (just havin patron gods instead of explanations)...it was definately one of the easiest and most fun..and as malcor pointed out...syyyyymbolism...cause you know ~clicks fingers~ i'm an expert in...

nameiology :broken:

[AquaFizz]

What about both??

Because, I'm still not sure I get each house's disposition (it's late, if I killed that word...please don't let me know). I want more information. Really..if one house has the goddess of sexuality..does that mean only really horny people can be in that house? Because, if so, I belong there. But, if it also stands for eeeeevil, then..well, I'm probably not considered very evil. I have no idea where I belong. I guess that's why I'm also for someone just putting me somewhere.

[Apoc]

Its under consideration wether the Master of the Deck card may be dealt...but we're not that far aloung yet...and Fizz...i don't think there is a House horny :dozey: i know of a few positions you may suit well...but as a good friend advised me...i'm playing those cards close to my chest at the mo heh

The simple problem we have at the moment is the houses dispositions...wether they should be explained via an explanation...or by symbolism.

We could have both ~shrugs~ each House having a very short mythology story to each, like House Dusk's maybe being something aloung the lines of the first to sit the Throne was Hades after him came the fallen Knight of House Sun, Lucifer to sit upon it...etc and do it that way...

i don't know? Thats my suggestion to how we may fix it ~shrugs~ you got better? i'm all ears. :)

[AquaFizz]

Symbolism illudes me. Thats why I fail poetry and art classes. I don't know what things "mean" I only know what they "say." But, I like greek mythology. So, something in between would make me vera happy.

..not that I'm the only person who matters..

[Amos]

with so many getting confused with too many words being said, i thought it best to simplify it...i thought that was the best way (just havin patron gods instead of explanations)...it was definately one of the easiest and most fun..and as malcor pointed out...syyyyymbolism...cause you know ~clicks fingers~ i'm an expert in...

nameiology :broken:
philology? linguistics? nomenclature? etymology? nameiology? palaeography? archaeology? no wait...

I at least am free from all this foolish confusion, having already invented the word that defines me perfectly (i.e. Fazey). Sometimes I wonder which is more real: me, or the definition of me. Am I an incarnation of fazeyness, or did fazeyness originate from me? But that's very chicken and egg, something to ponder on a lazy thursday (as opposed to a lazy wednesday, friday, and all the other days of the week which have become lazy). In any case, nothing could possibly describe me better than my own definition. No god, no adjective, no system of thought. Not even my eyes, or my words, or even my name.

To conclude: :cool: :p

~sits on the porch of one of the new houses and drinks chardonnay~

[Buck]

No shame in not knowing all the greek gods. There are a ton of them, at least a hundred are considered major gods. Here is a nice Link (http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/greek-mythology.php?_gods-list) I found. And for those that might be weary for religious reasons, I wouldnt worry too much, as ancient greek dieties are pretty much the ultimate anthropomorphasis of all the aspects of humanity. In other words these gods arent really real gods in any shape or form, just the symbolic view of what people ar capable of. The Iliad, Homer and all that crap under this light is one big lesson of human weaknesses as transcribed through what the gods did through the mortals etc... It is quite cool imo, and huge on symbolism which I love. :)

edit-
Oh I would start with the page about Eris (http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/greek-mythology.php?deity=ERIS). The page makes a joke about the whole story behind Eris and how she started the Trojan War. Laughs aside, she is quite dangerous so read between the lines. ;)

[Vivacia]

I really like the Greek God idea better than mere descriptive phrasologly (is that a word?). I think cass had a great idea with the example of having a short descriptive story of the mythology of each deity.

[Waffles]

I think we should go with Buck's suggestions. I mean, they are HIS gods :p

But what about other pantheons as well? I really like all the Celtic gods. Like Brigit, fiery Irish goddess in charge of Poetry, Healing, Smithcraft and Martial Arts.

[Buck]

Viv, for your eye:

Cass's 4 cards (http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/568/4cardzo6.jpg)
Chrono's Magi (http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2963/magihk2.jpg)
My rendition of SoT (http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/2633/swordoftruthcq0.gif)

If you cant see these let me know.

[Jennifer]

For NF suggesting adjectives and waff suggesting other pantheons, I agree...


I understood what you were trying to do by putting the gods there... Maybe you could sum it down to a few words that each god stood for. Like Aphrodite stood for lust and female sexuality; Helios stood for omniscience.

But once someone gets into a house, I don't see why they couldn't adopt a deity of Roman, Norse, Maori, whatever lineage if they decide they idenitify with them better. As long as it somewhat fits in the house. For example, in High House Dusk, Eris is one of the goddesses and she was all about trouble-making and discord. So perhaps someone in that house would rather have Loki, which stood for pretty much the same thing.

;)

[sir archely]

the houses are set up. you can play right now, but just know that at some point in the near future, they're going to be reset to no members.

find them in your user cp down the left side "group memberships." you can set it to have that color override your current color, and title as well. so if nothing else, the quill will be more colorful. ;)

and yes, i realize that the colors aren't all great. work in progress. also, apologies to cass, but i changed up the totem creatures a bit as well. tried to make them each have the two. ~shrug~ work in progress? suggestions?

[gelflingjen]

Hm...I can't decide which house to join.

You all did something exciting with this house thing while I was absent...(sheesh...can't turn my back on you folks for a second)...

is there a place I can find more in depth descriptions of the houses?

[sir archely]

short answer. no.

long answer, read the rest of this thread.

keep in mind this is not the final draft, and that when it's all done, you probably won't just join any old house.

also, i'm set up as leader of high house chaos, so if you try to join that house, you'll see what it's like.

finally, i've clicked the "identify as a member of this group" button for high house chaos... so <------- that's what happens. if you didn't set a custom title, your title would be "House X".

take a peek at the forum leaders page down at the bottom of the main forum view as well.

[gelflingjen]

'k

homework time

[night faerie]

~crashes the party anyway~
MWAHAHAHAA!!! :P

[sir archely]

Hm...I can't decide which house to join.

You all did something exciting with this house thing while I was absent...(sheesh...can't turn my back on you folks for a second)...

is there a place I can find more in depth descriptions of the houses?
heh, perhaps this is a reason to have the gods....

i think the idea of those being the 'elder' gods is good, and i think that it'd be a good idea for the first members of a house to determine which god/s/ess/es would be a fit.

[Waffles]

~crashes the party anyway~
MWAHAHAHAA!!! :P
~throws a marshmallow at NF~

[Malcor Sylverwood]

and yes, i realize that the colors aren't all greatIndeed. At least I can see sky blue ;)

[AquaFizz]

Nevermind. I figured it out.

Man...i didn't think this would be happening so soon.

[Waffles]

WAIT..i'm so confused. WHY are you admins now all different colors?

My head hurts.
Cos they're in different houses.

[AquaFizz]

does that mean our names will change to that color if we are apart of the house?

Are we going to use the proper colors? I mean..colors symbolize different things. (like NF's example of Purple and Royalty) The colors should be properly placed)

(That adds a whole new level! What if I don't like the color?)

[LaughingTurtle]

It's not really happening fizz, arch just set up a test example.

The houses won't start until the bugs are ironed out and then as arch said it will be all reset. So think of this as merely more playing around :)

EDIT: and the colors are optional even so don't pick based on that sheesh :p

[AquaFizz]

Oh good. Because the commitmentphobe in me was having a panic attack.

I'm not ready for all of this!!!!

[Jennifer]

Seems pretty cool so far. Are there only five houses because it's still in testing stages?

[LaughingTurtle]

Well normally I'd say it's because arch failed math, but if you read the thread, the latest incarnation cass set out had only 5 houses.

[Jennifer]

Pardon.

Guess I didn't know if unaligned had been kicked out yet. Although I know nothing is still final.

[Mesaana]

Acck! I just saw this... ooh Queen of Dusk with LT... I could be all over that like white on rice ;)

[sir archely]

the "unaligned" stuff may have to be discarded. having a "house" for each individual unaligned thing is a bit much. it's getting cluttered even with just the 5, imo. and making one house for all the unaligned is a bit oxymoronic. i'd say perhaps a 'master of the deck' but that'd be it.


Indeed. At least I can see sky blue

well, until i just changed it a few seconds ago... it was still black for me after your change. ~shrug~ definitely better though.

malcor sylverwood, knight of the morning. ;)

[Amelia]

Im waiting to talk to certain people coughbuckynsotsycough to see which one. Im leaning towards one and I think cetain people *coughbuckysotsy* would agree.

[Apoc]

this is just a test run...it'll all be reset when its ironed out.

[LaughingTurtle]

Do not be alarmed if crazy stuff appears on your screen, it's only me, or another admin messing with stuff :)

For example once again only for testing purposes, not final look to your left under your avatar and info is something that may occur. (for those currently messing around in the houses)

Once again, not final so don't all go crazy ;)

[Malcor Sylverwood]

well, until i just changed it a few seconds ago... it was still black for me after your change. ~shrug~ definitely better though.Thats bizarre. I used the RGB code (same as defines the admin group as purple)...I figured that would be more universal than the strange text names. ~shrugs too~

[AquaFizz]

:cry: I wanna little house under my name!!! Even if it is only temporary.

[Apoc]

thats awesome LT...out of all the possible stuff that house members may get, that was one of the main ones i wanted...excellent :) :thup:

do you think it'd be too cluttered to have House position in there aswell maybe? cause that would be great...whats the chance of that?

[LaughingTurtle]

then go join a house silly :p

But just remember, it may not be there in the next 5 minutes ;)

Stuff's getting played around with so please try not to get caught up in anything.

As for apoc oh it's more than possible but then with all the stuff that's already there I don't want to clutter it up esp considering not everyone is going to be playing with the houses

I'm actually leaning towards just having the title/position there personally than the house cause you can find that out on the forum leaders page or in a member's profile page. Only there are no positions as of yet in this test stage so I'd have nothing to put there

[Apoc]

i guess it'd be self explanatory anyway to say...

Position: Soldier of High House Dusk.

rather than have...

House: High House Dusk.
Position: Soldier

:D

[Mesaana]

If LT is King or leader I'm definetly going to vie for the chair of Queen of High House of Dusk, or Consort whichever... ;)

Also I will probably edit this post after I re-read this whole thread.

EDIT: Okay yes.. I re-read things and understand everything all well and good now... so I will INDEED enter the competition for house Dusk... hehe maybe I can be a 'secret mistress' :ninja: cause mistresses are awesome... :umm:

Fantastic laying out of details and card setup as well... I was far too tired when I looked this over the first time :S

[Alexia]

I can't believe it asked me for a reason. I wasn't prepared for that. My hands are all clammy!

:rolleyes:

[Mesaana]

"I'm awesome" that's all the reason you need Lexi ;)

I like the new admin colours! They're all nifty! Okay time to re-read this thread....

[night faerie]

ok I know the Houses are just temporary but even so I wanted to put this out there:

I have had a couple of requests for entrance into my House. Since this is for a competition, I would like to be able to choose my Housemates based on qualities they can bring to the competition.
So when asking for entrance, tell me
1) what Talents you can bring to the House... every person on this site is very Talented so that part should be easy.
and
2) why you have chosen House Moon? What qualities do you see in House Moon that make you identify most with it? (This will also go towards helping me define what it is that House Moon IS)
3) This is an optional one: Which House would be your second choice and why?

For now, I'm going to deny all pending requests to give everyone an equal opportunity to formulate their umm... stuff. :rolleyes:

also, I'm not going to approve whomever requests entrance first. I'm going to wait till I've got a few to choose from. (a day or two... this IS temporary after all. Heh.)

[LaughingTurtle]

:love: mes

As for now, updates, updates, updates are continuing so stay tuned...

Minor modifications mostly, also I just picked whatever the hell title I wanted for people, so if you don't like it too bad it's just a placeholder :devil:

[sir archely]

well, people in house chaos won't stand for your labels, man. (hopefully fazey is also a noun. :umm: even if it's not... meh. )

[Malcor Sylverwood]

Has there been any discussion on what the positions in a house mean? Like their roles and such. I know, some are obvious, but I think some can be interpreted differently...

-Malcor "Still not the king" Sylverwood

[night faerie]

what exactly is the difference between hounds and wolves? are hounds like house-dogs? bloodhounds, like are you all detectives or something?

[LaughingTurtle]

I won't stand for your insubordination arch!

The positions I've put down (and that arch has manipulated :grumbles: ) mean nothing as of yet malc, though I did sorta try to model em after cass's latest template. As you said without any explaination of them they're nothing more than window dressing.

[AquaFizz]

How come the only person in HH Sun is...WB? Are there no admins that want to be in charge of it? Because if there aren't...who do i have to kill to be incharge of the REAL HH Sun?

~Mental Note: Change Life Plan to take over Sun, THEN take over Earth~

And, a hound is a hunting dog...like a pointer. Think...movies where they're in england and they go hunting and they say, "Release the hounds!" and the dogs go running after foxes and what have you.

[Amelia]

**toussels Malc**

Just go with your gut Malc.

[Apoc]

The positions all mean stuff so please don't fiddle with them.
House of Spades
King - Throne male card
Queen- Throne female card
Jack - Warrior card
Ace - Magic card
Ten - Occupation card
Joker - Herald card

Each card has a trick and a different value.

I've been doing another template, one with explanations to everything.

and nf is quite right about holding back on allowing entrance to her house, when its properly done it'll likely be as she's explained of if your not given a place and you want one, you gotta convince the ruler your right for it.

cards will be getting dealt though.

thats my plan on it anyway.

and for now, in this test run, just to see how everything is, mes's example of how to get in a house is fine...but not when its properly up, you likely won't get entry for saying "cause i'm awesome"...

[Amelia]

I like how NF set up questions, it would be nice if all the houses had certain questions. Not like triva ones but like: When I would meet I guy I kinda was interested in I would ask him a question "gun to your head, spam or cheeze whiz...and why?" there wasnt a right or wrong answer but I just wanted to see what they response would be. I got some really great answers and some really lame ones.
Also you dont have much space to type your reason and I had to edit and edit.

Im done. :D

[LaughingTurtle]

Think outside the box. Within the space given you can provide a link to a reflections post with your answers, or tell them to read a PM containing your answers that you will be sending.

Once again, when all is reset, yes entrance won't be easy but I wanted entry easy this time so that I could play around with members and the functions.

[Amelia]

well I spoke from my heart and if its not good enought then it wasnt the right place for me. I will take the time to think about it some more though. **nods**

[Malcor Sylverwood]

I've been doing another template, one with explanations to everything.
Neat. Keep up the good work...I'm *reasonably* impressed ;)

-Malcor "Fought too many would be kings" Sylverwood

[Amelia]

**dances a happy dance**

[AquaFizz]

Who are you supposed to email? What if there is no admin in a house you want in?

I refuse to play until its for real. But, really...it seems no admin has taking a liking to HH Sun and yet..more than one person seems to think i should be there. SO...how who do i talk to about being there when the time comes?

[Mesaana]

I'm sure those details will all be worked out... and I was only meaning for now Cass :) No worries I fully expect a place in the house to be fraught with peril and hard won!! In fact I'm really looking forward to it... hence my terming "I'll vie for" :D

*glomptacklehugscheekkissesApoccausehe'sawesomeand desrvesit*

tee hee

Also *pouncetacklehugsmolestdepantsifiesLTandhidesthemi nthesecretbedroomcompartmentstash* mwahahahahaha :D

Hey I'm a temporary mistress I'm supposed to do stuff like that :ninja:

Anyhow things are looking awesome so far... do we have tentative dates for when this hits live??

[ChronoDmin]

I have sent my request to my House leader of course before reading all this stuff and being ... so damn tired... I'll put my request in full in reflection tomorrow... :fred:

[Amos]

hopefully fazey is also a noun. :umm:
Absolutely. It's also an adective, a verb, and a preposition.

[dark fuschia]

oooh wow, you guys all rock!! *runs around thread squidging people*

I am just recovering from the organisation of a conference. Can I be in house chaos? Archely>>>>???? Clearly as the popsicle of house chaos you are the person I should ask. You know I can do it! You know I can be chaotic!!! *attempts to topple off chair in order to demonstrate... yet somehow fails... and ends up standing beside chair looking completely distinguished and orderly*

Well I'll be damned!!

Maybe my title could be... prophetess, you know, I imagine house chaos should definately have a haglike figure who points a shaking finger at passersby and shouts random yet foreboding things things like "PITTED DATES!!" or "BUS 27B!!"

[Amos]

Don't let her join, arch. She has fleas, but not a single one of them has a collar. Also she probably mistreats them.


~declares himself emperor of High House Sun~

[LaughingTurtle]

Then you must quit house chaos because even in this test, dual housing is not allowed :p

[Amos]

~shakes fist~

If hypothetically I did leave High House Chaos, is there any possibility of my being Officially In Charge of High House Sun? It's one thing to call oneself an emperor, but quite another to be recognised as such and be privy to all the trappings that such an esteemed position affords.. Oh Mighty Admins whom I adore and love..

~turns the fist-shake into a chocolate shake~

[LaughingTurtle]

Well seeing as how this is only a test mind you (and will be different with the reset I state now for all intents and purposes) I don't see why not as Wendy doesn't look to want it and neither does Mike as far as I know.

That and your silly dual house membership is screwing up my rank/house system ~shakes fist more than james~

EDIT: pfft now you're back in chaos, make up your mind, which house is it going to be?

[Amos]

Ah. I have most courteously left High House Sun, that your system might be more efficient, Lord LaughingTurtle. Although now it behooves me to leave the wretched High House Chaos and prepare for my ascension by dwelling in the supreme and glorious light of High House Sun.


-Nearly-Emperor James II

[LaughingTurtle]

So let it be written, so let it be done.





for now...

[Amos]

We hereby extend Our welcome to all Quillers endowed with wisdom wishing to join High House Sun. Entrance to Our House requires only that you compose a poem describing the splendid qualities of the reigning Emperor, James II. Special admission and exemption from this requirement will be given to Quillers who are unconvinced of the possession of any remotely redeeming qualities by High House Chaos (sworn enemy of High House Sun).


-Emperor James II, Shining and Exemplarly-Clever Ruler For Life (And Beyond) of High House Sun

[dark fuschia]

*Narrows eyes at Emperor james and points a shaking finger*

CHUTNEY!!

[Apoc]

:umm: someone should perform a coup de'tat on that guy :broken:

in other House related news...

i preferred when the position thing was below the avatar, between Location and Posts...rather than between the members name and avatar.

Otherwise i think its pretty cool...i think the colours still need a lil work though. I like Dusk as black and Moon looks good as silver/grey whatever it is...i think Chaos should be dark red (kinda crimson), Dawn should maybe be blue not sky blue, and Sun...well not too sure bout yellow...maybe orange? ~shrugs~

Its interesting seeing where folk go to when given freedom to enter themselves...HA...you may not be so lucky when it comes round for real :broken: just keep that in mind aye ;)

To those getting in a tizzy over which House to go to...settle down...this is only an example run through, to test some things out, not everything is in place yet...in fact very little is in place yet...so settle down...when the time comes, its not by your hand that you get in a house...its an option for the impatient, to knock on a House door and want in and maybe have to convince the ruler to grant your entry...

its likely alot of folk will get dealt a card from a House giving them a position to which they may accept or decline...if you think your better for a different position but haven't been dealt a card from that House and the position is still open...then by all means give the door a knock...

~hugs everyone~

thank you...

-cass

[dark fuschia]

how will our houses be decided. By sorting hat? ooooh will he say a rhyme when he allocates us! heh that would be so awesome!!

[AquaFizz]

~spins~ I wrote a poem for James..so, can I be yellow now, please? I'm a Priestess!!! Of Lylism and Jamism and..Sun-ism! :D ~runs around healing people who aren't sick~

(I know, I was in protest...until I had the chance to use my writing/rapping skillz) ~really hopes the admins don't kill her soon~

[Apoc]

~slaps fizz on the back of the head like that guy does in NCIS~

:grumbles: this ain't it yet so calm down...

no positions have been dealt...not even the ruling ones, so to quote LT, "sheesh"...cause when they are dealt I don't want no one all pissy cause they didn't get the position they're in in this example, ok?

[AquaFizz]

I know its not real, first.:rolleyes:

Second, don't hit me.

[Amelia]

you mean this isnt real?????

:D

**fleas**

[Buck]

Wait if this isnt real, then I dont exhist...

*vanishes from exhistence*

[Amelia]

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

**wills Bucky back into exhistence**

Dont ever do that again! You hear me?

[Amos]

~spins~ I wrote a poem for James..so, can I be yellow now, please?
You have to use the applying thingamajig in your user control panel (in 'group memberships'). Then I either accept, deny, or ignore your request to be admitted. :)

[Alexia]

I don't know why Dawn is that light blue. Dawn is bright and sparkly. It's all gold and green through the blades of grass. It hurts your eyes in a friendly HELLO I'M HERE sort of way. Blue makes me think of midday sun...

[AquaFizz]

You have to use the applying thingamajig in your user control panel (in 'group memberships'). Then I either accept, deny, or ignore your request to be admitted. :)

How did I MISS that?!

[Malcor Sylverwood]

I don't know why Dawn is that light blue. Dawn is bright and sparkly. It's all gold and green through the blades of grass. It hurts your eyes in a friendly HELLO I'M HERE sort of way. Blue makes me think of midday sun...Sadly there isn't an HTML tag for "bright and sparkly". hehe

Plus, its better than pinks or oranges...

~nods~

-Malcor "Colorblind" Sylverwood

[Alexia]

Crumbs. I shall have to create a "bright and sparkly" ALL BY MYSELF.

What about a light olivey greenish colour?

[Malcor Sylverwood]

mediumaquamarine maybe?
orchid maybe?
springgreen maybe?
http://halflife.ukrpack.net/csfiles/help/colors.shtml

[Alexia]

Yellow green?

Tomato?

[Buck]

Darkorange? too ...happy

Orangered? too orangee

Gold? too pale

Goldenrod? too bland

Crimson? too red

Darkgoldenrod? I like this one

Blue? Dawn sky is paler blue

Lightskyblue? too pale

Ok, I have a headache now.
*watches some black and white Twilight Zone*

[ChronoDmin]

Sadly there isn't an HTML tag for "bright and sparkly". hehe

Plus, its better than pinks or oranges...

~nods~

-Malcor "Colorblind" Sylverwood

Shush! Thank the Gods there isn't a bright and sparkly html tag... i deal with enough sparkly things with The Faerie


:grumbles:

[sir archely]

ah! my sole partner in chaos has deserted his position and taken up with... house sun? okay, so while it might be chaotic, it's certainly not tolerated. house chaos declares war on house sun! to the death or until we're all tired of it!

also, the title thing. obviously as popsicle of house chaos i'm just messing around. but i thought that the positions within houses were pretty malleable as far as names, as long as they stay the same level.

like the champion of high house sun being the sword of truth.

[Waffles]

Woo! I'm a moon-boy :)

[night faerie]

ok I demand that my Houses' Title color be changed. While white is a ninja color, all but invisible, it is offensive to me that the color defined by the Moon House, grey, is being used by that evil Dusk House. Stick to your own colors, Dusk!

[Apoc]

can folk please stop making absnot like posts, if your not going to make suggestions and put forward more ideas then please refrain from posting.

So...what do we have at the mo to sort out?

House Colours. House and Position titles in the post profile, where to put them. Explanation of the Houses disposition rather than just having patron Gods...these are the things i think need be sorted to progress this.

Arch, i'm against the Position name changes being so drasticly different. A popsicle to me is not anywhere akin to a Throne/King, I know you kidd at the mo but the positions i feel should be sorta the same in each House...Sword of Truth, Champion, Knight they are obviously warrior cards, Magi, Aes Sedai, Asha'man are clearly magic cards...i'm fine with position name changes, if its obvious what type of card it is....like a queen card being an Amrylin and a King a Lord etc the position/titles can be played with as long as its obvious what position it stands in a house.

I still think the House Name and position looked alot better below the avatar between the Location and Posts of a members posting profile.

Colours for the Houses...

My suggestions...

High House Chaos - Dark Red
High House Sun - Sienna
High House Moon Gray
High House Dusk - Black
High House Dawn - Royal Blue

[Amelia]

I like the color suggestions.

[night faerie]

~Throws snowball at Cass~ Cool out, man! sheesh! ;)

I think since House Chaos is defined by being Chaotic, it's ok for it to be ruled by a Popsicle.

I have to say I like the titles under the name instead of under the avatar. That way you've got your name, House, titles (self imposed and House appointed), then Avatar, then stats. It doesnt make sense to have the House & titles right over the stats, location, number of posts, etc.

I really like the colors you've chosen, Apoc. I vote for them. :)

How about we let the masters of each House determine the defining... stuff for their House... ie, Gods, patron animals, whatever? That might speed things up a bit, too. I think at this point we've got a good idea of what each house represents, let the HouseLeaders put the specifics together. (do you want us to submit them for your approval, Apoc?)

[AquaFizz]

I like them, but they don't pop. I like the light blue color for Dusk. But I also like Lexi's greenish yellow color. Would be be so bad to have some brightness, Oh Dark and Brooding One? :p And, I hate Sienna. (...it's the color of my couch) What about Bucky's Dark Orange for the Sun. But..other than that...i like the colors. Especially that the crazy house is Red..and the Moon is Grey.

I think I like the Gods now. Maybe, if just once you decide on everything, we have a place where all the houses and positions are clearly defined (Do we get to know what tricks each card has? If so...I wanna know their tricks. What does the King get to do? And then the Gods and a Link, perhaps, to a really good description of those Gods.), it'll make it a lot easier. I think we're all "No Gods!" "Yes Gods!" because the Gods keep getting talked about and changed. And...I'm too lazy to really study up a God until you people actually decide on one.

[Jennifer]

I approve of Cass's colors, and I agree with NF about where the stuff should be. Although the house stuff could look good underneath the avy if it wouldn't be so cluttered. Oh great and powerful Admins *cough*, is it possible to not have the messenger icons under the names? I mean I know it's useful and all, but it's really not necessary out here when people can find that info in our profile easily enough. In fact, I say the same for the post counts and join date. Leave that stuff in the profile. That way, when it comes time to have the house icon and what not, the left side of the forum threads will look a LOT less busy and just nicer all around. :)

[Waffles]

Geez Mr Admin Pookie... oh wait :p

I agree with NF that the house names and user names should be the same colour. Tis not cool Dusk having the title the same colour as us Moonies.

And I also agree with NF that the leaders should be able to decide the names of the positions, no matter if you agree with them or not. Popsicle is a great name for a Chaos Lord :p

[Apoc]

~takes snowball in face~

House colours are up to arch and lt...also no one has a position yet...arch may not even end up in House Chaos...i suggest though that if he where King in House Chaos...then if he wishes...his title be King Popsicle, rather than just popsicle.

As for how members will be drafted into houses...well thats still under consideration at the mo...but we've got a couple options we're playing with
:)

[Malcor Sylverwood]

High House Chaos - Dark Red
High House Sun - Sienna
These two are definately too close to each other in color. Maybe my eyes aren't as good as most, but there is no way I could see these colors seperately and identify a house. I'd see a red-like color and say, well its either this or that...

[LaughingTurtle]

Ok first off people are getting way to worked up over the colors, so :p to all of you.

The reason why I picked grey for Dusk is because black is the default color and thus highly boring to just be the same as normal text. Dusk is also not night so it shouldn’t really be black. My reason for moon being white should be pretty obvious in that the moon is *duh* white. Though after the fact I do realize it is hard to read so it will be modified. The other colors were thrown in corresponding to what was already done with the usergroups.

NOTE: They will be changed, nothing is yet permanent.

My reasoning for the placement in the postbit (everything to the left of your post) is that it gives the appearance of being more balanced with it above the avatar rather than below it. It centers the avatar rather than piling everything on the bottom.

As for the crazy posts, I fully support Cass. The silliness can be kept to a minimum until we actually get this going. I need everyone’s help in supplying their input on the changes I’ve been making as well as new ideas and suggestions so as to make a better end product so to speak for all and the goofing only detracts from the process. This is my second and hopefully last warning on this.

Lastly, in regards to positions, we want some semblance of a grouping otherwise no one but "insiders" will know what the hell is going on. We want all members to understand and be able to join in the fun, even those who don't know arch's voracious appetite for flavored frozen ice products.

[Jennifer]

So I don't know if in all the craziness my question was buried, so I'll repost it here now:

...is it possible to not have the messenger icons under the names? I mean I know it's useful and all, but it's really not necessary out here when people can find that info in our profile easily enough. In fact, I say the same for the post counts and join date. Leave that stuff in the profile. That way, when it comes time to have the house icon and what not, the left side of the forum threads will look a LOT less busy and just nicer all around. :)

[LaughingTurtle]

Ok another thing I'm messing with...

Firstly, I'm shortening the titles to just have the position cause having the house repeated is pointless. Though this may change as...it may be possible to replace the colored House text with a small image icon to represent each house, such as a tiny sun for House Sun or a Moon for House moon, etc...

Jenn as for removing the messenger Icons there is no easy way to do this (button switch heh), it would require going in and editing the actual forumdisplay and mayhaps forumdisplaybit templates which isn't too hard as it's in HTML but I'm somewhat leery of doing it yet.

[sir archely]

lt.... the house things are bolded right? so the bold black will stand apart from the other two titles anyway. i don't know that the color of the house of death should be anything BUT black.

as far as titles, i was half messing around with the popsicle title, though i did feel that the chaotic house would have chaotic titles. ;) i know what you mean about being close/equivalent with the standard issue titles though, so they all make sense.

to get this into the open... what we were talking about was having a master of the deck who is a general neutral party. all ascensions into houses must be approved by that person along with the house leader, they would serve as a mediator/creater/facilitator/tie-breaker/etc. for competitions. perhaps all "structural" changes to houses be approved by the master, who acts in the best interest of the entire deck (if that doesn't sound too cheesy). by structural i mean members, titles, requirements for entry, perhaps initial leader, ... something else i forget.

jenn. i'm looking into that right now... lt or mike have better skill with that though. okay, LT posted first...

[sir archely]

hmm... scratch that, i just disabled the instant messenger icons throughout the forums. they will no longer display in who's online either though.

[LaughingTurtle]

Yes they are bolded but still bah, I want a little flair :p

Lastly, whenever I'm modifying the colored bits, yours may look one way but if I've played around with it the changes won't take effect until you make a post - unlike all the other modifications. So umm yeah.

EDIT: Arch what you did is get rid of the icons all over the site (they're gone in the profiles as well), not just in the postbit, which is why I wanted to research the deal a bit more before acting :p

[Jennifer]

Hey but at least it looks cleaner. :p

EDIT:

so I don't know how possible this is either, but do any of you think this would look okay?

Member Name
Custom Title
Avatar
Location
House
Title
Rep dots

Something that looks (VERY roughly) like this?

[sir archely]

yeah, i know it removed them everywhere, and i agree with jenn. it looks much cleaner, and if you can't read to see which instant messenger is which on the profile then you have bigger problems. :p

[Jennifer]

But the buttons are so easy to click! Anyways, one of the reasons I took my messenger info out of my profile was because of the little icons that showed on every post. I know this is kind of off the topic of houses. So shoot me. ~puts on a kevlar vest and helmet~

[Buck]

I really like the colors you've chosen, Apoc. I vote for them. :)


Me too. Those colours are as harsh on the eyes as some of the current colours, specifically Chaos and Dawn's.

I also am siding with Cass and Jenn on where the House name should go - below the Avatar. It seemed more asthetic to my eyes in that order. Besides, under your name, you have the option to put anything you want, and a lot of people use it as a personal snip of themselves or to describe their current Avy. With House and Title above the avy it sorta confuses things...

And speaking of cunfusing things. I dont think the member's name should be coloured at all. The colours used to signify presence on this site. New members were red, green then Blue and the admins were royal purple. This is now gone. Having just the House name have a colour is plenty imo.


Im guessing the Cards will be shown in the profile somewhere? Is that still in the works to be fitted in somehow or are the Cards themselves a no go?

[Apoc]

cards are still a go i think...

i was thinking if the amazin admins couldn't find a way to put them somewhere...they could at least be a link in your sig...and when the House page is done with all the houses and their positions and who's in them...well the cards could be a link on that as well :) at the very least.

[LaughingTurtle]

I've made my comments on position and colors so I'll leave it for others to add their 2 cents.

With cards there isn't much we can do at this point. I have yet to find a hack or plug in that would allow for additional picture space in a profile barring a whole gallery which we already have.

One idea is to just put a link in your sig to the file but that isn't very umm aesthetically pleasing to say the least. It’s still a work in progress at best you could say.

[Dregs]

And speaking of cunfusing things. I dont think the member's name should be coloured at all. The colours used to signify presence on this site. New members were red, green then Blue and the admins were royal purple. This is now gone. Having just the House name have a colour is plenty imo.



I agree with Buck. The coloured names are too dominant (to my way of thinking, at any rate), which may lead to the impression that the house system is what we are all about. We are a writer/artist/general mayhem type forum, not a Malazan fan site.

[Amelia]

I was thinking maybe our cards can go in our signature line. I think it could be pretty to look at, if we do it right. Like the card go go to the far left and then the writing could go to the right of it.

[ChronoDmin]

OK my 2 cents...... I'm pretty easy on colors... so nothing there.

Im also with Dregs & Buck... We have the colored names to show who's an admin and who's a member.....and @ what status the have @ the Quill.(member).. I personally think the house info should just be under name and thats it. We want people to join the Quill and participate in the whole Quill...not just the new houses part.

As much as i like Malazan, I like WOT too.....and a billion other things.. I think the houses with the compition is an excellent addtion to the Quill.. but that just what it is .. An excellent idea (:thup: Cass) that should enrich the Quill.. not dominate it

As for the cards I think thats what the gallery is for... we can always setup something there

I think that a faq page should be setup for the Quillers who haven't jumped on the cards... like white on rice.... and for future Quillers who come & wonder wtf we're doing


That is all

[LaughingTurtle]

I agree on the actual usernames being back to what they once were with just the house names being a different color. I’ll wait for a few more opinions on it though.

And as far as identifying this as Malazan anymore that's getting to be a stretch. This isn't a tarot; it's for a game, different houses, different positions, and a different purpose. So about the only thing that ties it to being malazan is the starting point idea, so no worries about one particular series overtaking anything. Hence why some of the positions are being derived from said other popular series as WOT or SOT.

The gallery may be the most feasible idea so far, set up a single page per house or for them all and just link to them in your sigs.

And a FAQ was always part of the plan, we just have not gotten that far yet ;)

[Amelia]

I think it would be a good idea to have a page where all the houses are and it shows who has what position in what house. It would be a nice reference point if somebody needs to know.

[Vivacia]

I think the user names should be the colors they were and the House name should be the House color. It would be less confusing for new Quillers and less distracting in general. Thanks to Arch, I did get to see the cards that were created and I loved them. Especially the Amerlyn card. Having the person's House card in their profile would be fine with me. I also like Jenn's idea of the Order of Things.

[Apoc]

To Amelias suggestion...its being done. ;)



OTHER
A front page feature could be a post with the ranking board of the Houses scores; Battles Won, Battles Lost, Duels Won, Duels Lost- total points and the positions in the Houses and who has what position.


I agree with chrono this isn''t something thats to dominate te quill...i think thats why i'm for having the House and position be below the avatar...between Location and Posts or something...

and to just be Position...so example would be...

Location: Escocia
Position: Soldier of High House Dusk
Posts: 3,816

kinda thing.

Colours...well thats up to the admins to sort, they know they need be changed and have plenty of suggestions now of what to mayhaps change it to...so i think that problem need not be repeated anymore :)

[Buck]

You would probably have to keep it seperate like it is now Cass.

Some titles are longer than others. The text would be wrapped over multiple lines.

Example:

Position: Sword of Truth of High
House Dawn

or some such.

I kind of like it without the "Title:" part though.

High House Dawn
Sword of Truth

looks cooler than

High House Dawn
Title/Position: Sword of Truth

[LaughingTurtle]

That is not possible buck, you have to have the "title" there bit as it's apart of a profile field.

The colored bit does not have that because it is not a profile field, it is a Rank and ranks apply to a whole usergroup so it could not be used to display individual items such as a position.

The current separation keeps things short and until a better way is found, it's going to stay that way. That is the other main reason for keeping the positions the way they are because you can modify where the "Title" portion will appear but not the "Rank" (house) line.

[Amelia]

To Amelias suggestion...its being done. ;)




I figured it might have already been said or suggested but I couldnt remember. Sorry!

[Amos]

I don't want to be a leader anymore. The pressure is too much, or something. Can someone make me not a leader, and not in house sun? I think I will refrain from joining houses in the future, it doesn't really suit my anti-social temperaments at all.

Hehe, my last act was to boot Lyle out. Meaningless, really, since I "coerced" him into joining, but still very satisfying.

[Malcor Sylverwood]

Everyone will be purged from houses shortly...I think you can hang in there that long. Builds character and all...

[Arianna]

wow. i really went and missed the boat on this one. and there're 15 pages of info. can someone pretty please sum it all up for me and let me know if there's still chance of me joining in on all your fun.

[AquaFizz]

We haven't started yet. THis is just a test run. So, you can probably join in.

But, I don't summarize. So, I'll let someone else do that.

[LaughingTurtle]

Exactly no summary necessary as the real deal is about to come out and it will fill everyone in. As it stands now..say goodbye cause everyone is getting dah boot!

:cool:

[Alexia]

<is homeless and a little bit cold>

So empty on the inside.
I'm like a jug on a shelf.
Shiny, smelling new, but EMPTY.

[Arianna]

even better, i guess i finally found my way to this thread at just the right time. goodie. :p

[Eyreplenh]

Erhmm... I chose the wrong time to go away, I see... Methinks it all looks real good and, wow, what progress has been made! *impressed*

Of course, I missed the lightshows and the coulours and all, but I'm sure it was sweet as a really sweet thing.

Respect to the people that are actually doing something, good job:thup: :thup: :thup:

[Lyle]

I don't want to be a leader anymore. The pressure is too much, or something. Can someone make me not a leader, and not in house sun? I think I will refrain from joining houses in the future, it doesn't really suit my anti-social temperaments at all.

Hehe, my last act was to boot Lyle out. Meaningless, really, since I "coerced" him into joining, but still very satisfying.

Let me see if I understand you correctly.

We were in the same house?

You were the leader of this house?


You kicked me out of this house!?


You bastard. Looks like someone isn't getting the cigars and mogwai vinyl that I got him for christmas...:)

[Apoc]

I'll be about ready to begin laying the houses foundations tonight...please be patient, this doesn't mean its starting, mearly that the boards being set.

I request all comments be made here and not in the new thread that'll be up soon, you have my thanks in advance,

-apoc ;)

[Arianna]

apoc, you rock :D

[Apoc]

heh thanks :blush:

what was going to be posted has been temporarily postponed, my apologies ~bows~

[Apoc]

UPDATE: ~brings this out of pause for a moment~

Hope folk are still interested, i apologise for the delay, foundations are being laid...but they're not final, i'm just slowly setting stuff up at the mo when i've got free time to do so.

:)

-apoc

[Apoc]

So ummm yeah...triple post heh, hope you'll forgive.

I present to thee, the frontpage House post with 90% working links :broken:

Still just setting it up, but there ya go for now ~goes to bed~

House frontpage post template (http://www.enchantedquill.net/forum/showpost.php?p=84489&postcount=14)

[Jennifer]

I'm sad this hasn't gone further yet...

[Apoc]

~hugs~

as am I...

~sighs~

[Jonboy]

heh, just in time.... maybe its about time i accend..... heh....... but maybe ill just be one of the twins/errant....... a push here, a pull there..... heh

[Apoc]

So ummm yeah, i'm gonna mess with this a bit more, hopefully (if i can work something out with arch or other admins) each House can get its only private thread so we're not just chucking pm's back and fourth during comps and stuff. I think a private thread will also save on the pm usage (don't know bout you lot, but mine gets filled up awfully fast, anything that'll cut it down slightly i think would be cool) heh i certainly used up a load of pm's with heal&hurt, war stuff and other comps so yeah, hopefully thiat'll cut the pm usage down abit.

Anyways yeah...arch and lt nominated me master of the deck awhiles back but i'll only take the position to deal the first hand and put a quiller in each house to be its Guardian-Master of the Deck will have its own thread for all to post in, in this forum 9The Game of Houses), so as to remind the deck master of where they've scored points incase missed and to ask questions etc (mainly again so pm box doesn't get jam packed)

As a note, i'll probably add to this, it is just a rough just still but...

Points for:
War posts
Haiku/Poetry/Short stories
- 5points

Competitions:
Heal&Hurt
100 Word Story
Quill Pick’em etc...
- each entrant - 5points
The Victor in these comps scores and deals their card value (scores their defence value to their House and deals their attack value to the other Houses).

Duels:
Movie Smackdown and others similar that may arise in the future...
- card values (attack/defence) again per round.

Any questions, suggestions, discussion, things i should change, rule queries etc? Ask away in this thread ;)

Peace...umm i mean War...yeah war raaar :apoc:

-Apoc"Cassander"alypse