Knife of Dreams - SPOILERS! SPOILERS! You have been warned.

[Cloric the Cleric]

Okay....now that I've read it, I absolutly can't wait to start talking about it...


this is EASILY the best of the books in a long while...

Favorite parts, anyone who's read it?


And buck to respond to your WoT Discussion post...

after the Epilogue? I think I had to get up and walk around at like 4 distinct points in the book...just thrilled that they were what they were..

[Buck]

Anyone who sticks their nose in here without reading the book to the end, gets spoiled...




Yea,

When Taim tells the reds at the very end "As they say, let the lord of chaos rule" and the ashamen laugh... I had an omfg moment. Part of me wants to think that RJ is really screwing around with us. How could you not think/want that Taim=demandred after reading that!? For all intensive purposes he is just as evil/ruthless/sadistic as Demandred would be.

*cringes*

[Cloric the Cleric]

I don't think anyone has doubted in a good long while that Demandred was evil...but I think RJ even specifically said that Taim =/= Demandred in a Q&A sometime back....

but yeah, his use of that quote made me sit up and take notice...then thinking about Semmy having said it in the prologue to Suroth...Who I was VERY happy to see get what was coming to her, her and Galina both...but back to the original point...it was very odd...

What did you think the "*Gasp* That's horrible!" moment was...I have my own idea, but I'm curious what you think...

[Buck]

Im supposing you mean the reference RJ made to some 'effect' of something in KoD that was 'gasp' worthy that was directly attributed by an action in a previous book?


Probably the whole bit with Ayamans that drink the special koolaid.
On some level, I suppose that a whole culture commiting suicide is horrendous, but they were rarely mentioned. No characters were mentioned at all in depth, nor was there culture/society told about in the series at all. How am I supposed gasp about that? Call me a heartless bastard I guess.


So, saidin was cleansed but at the cost of some cultists lives?

boohoo /sarcasm


what do you think it is?

[Cloric the Cleric]

Hmm....now that you mention it, I suppose that is what he might have been getting at...


I was thinking Rolan's death. We were supposed to be happy that he was helping Faile (as a general readership, no matter how many actually wished for her death), and his reward was to be killed out of hand by Perrin... I thought at the time that it was very sad...all that seperated them was an idealogical difference about the Car'a'carn...

[Buck]

See this is why Im beginning to think Im a heartless sob. I dont give diddly about Roland either. Hell, Rand lost his hand and I dont really feel his pain. Even the mains like Rand or Perrin can die in the next book and it wouldnt phase me. Rand has turned into whiny wimpy kid with a jillion people in his head and Perrin is obsessing about his wife. Mat has gotten lots of cool points this book, he is much redeemed considered the garbage that RJ had him doing with Tylin in Ebu dar.

Oh, while I brought up people inside Rand's head, do you think the reason Moridin is in his head now may be because Moridin might have bonded him in some form using the true power or do you think its just from the crossing of the balefire streams?

[Amelia]

Read the book in a couple of days, kinda light reading for RJ! But I loved it!

the 'oh, thats horrible' moment? Im not sure. I could be when Aram dies or when Rand loses a hand but werent we warned he was going to lose or hand? or was it an eye? cant remember.

I think Rand and Moridin might be bonded in some way but maybe not. Whenever he thinks or Perrin and Mat he sees them just like when he thinks of Moridin his face appears.

oh and Tam showed up Im like OH MY GOD!! that was the shiznit....RJ you and your all powerful beard ROCK!

[Buck]

Oh yea, it can very well be Aram turning on Perrin! *smack* Perrin allowed a tinker to pick up a sword and he ended up turning on his loyal friend. Amelia, you hit the nail on the head with that one. I completely forgot about it.

Yea Rand is the one who loses...err lost his hand.

Mat is the one who loses an eye. He is supposed to give up half the light of the world to save it or something... Was it the foxes who said that? Mins viewing also shows him putting his eye on a scale or something right?

I need to do some research.

[Vivacia]

What totally got me was that they FINALLY figure out they can rescue Moraine. I got all giddy...and then it didn't happen! Rolan dying...eh. Rand losing his hand sucks cuz I was so looking forward to a big sword fight between he and Galad. AND...if Taim isn't demandred, as RJ has said straight out, then who the hell is he?? I think I need to read it again. I was to OMGing the first time around. OH, and Tuon...LOVE her.

[Buck]

Oh yea, I just remembered.

That whole business with Aludra and the bell founders finally has come to fruition. For I dont know how many books I wanted to slap her about for playing mind games with Mat when she could just build the damn dragons and fire couple dragon eggs. All is ok though, The Band of the Red Hand is going to be packing some heat at the Last Battle.


Im just wondering how the White Tower can be resolved and the Last Battle can happen in one book. Im not sure RJ can fit it all in, especially if you finally get to see Moraine be rescued from teh tower.


I also can not wait to see Lan's army being built up, just writning this statement is giviing me goose bumps. Nynaeve gains kudos fordoing what she did up in the borderlands.


Taishar!

[Amelia]

since RJ said that some things will not be tied up at the end I think we will have some sense that the white tower will be made whole but its going to take time starting right after the last battle. Same thing with the Seanchan, he wont tie up all of those story lines either. What Im mostly thinking is the whole leashing of women who can channel. Thats a whole ball of wax that is not going to be answered in one book.

oooh thats right Mat has the eye thingy.


Damn only one book left, DAMNIT.

[sir archely]

funny, i came in here without having read the book just because i was curious as to how well-regarded it was by you guys... well, and i don't mind spoilers usually. just cause whatever.

but i think it's amusing that so far all the "spoilers" here are basically things that i (and pretty much everyone i think) expected to happen anyway. only thing i really didn't expect was that stuff with a culture going suicidal... but that sounds like it's something out of the blue anyway.

~shrug~

[epiph]

Yeah, everyone knew it was going to happen, it was just a matter of when exactly. I'm a little over halfway through now and I can't say as I'm all that impressed. The bit with Nyn, while touching, was strangely written...I mean, RJ spent a couple pages going on about this guy thinking about selling his gems, and the whizzes past the emotionalling touching parts. And I get really annoyed with how inept all the big bad guys have become; they used to be scary, now they're annoyances.

[Buck]

I dont know about you, but the last page scared the hell out of me.

Keep reading.

[Dregs]

Oh, while I brought up people inside Rand's head, do you think the reason Moridin is in his head now may be because Moridin might have bonded him in some form using the true power or do you think its just from the crossing of the balefire streams?

You what? Damn it, I'm going to have to re-read the book, cos I missed this.

In other news, yup, best book for a long time. I was actually nervous when Faile went into the house to meet Galina. But she got out OK. Which made me slightly wary, the fact that everything was working out for the good guys. ANd RJ clearing some stuff up (Aelfinn, Tower of Ghenji, etc etc.)